How do Tolkien readers receive news of "new" books?
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How do Tolkien readers receive news of "new" books?
I read about this today in the newspaper; Christopher Tolkien warned that this book could be dissapointing to many of J.R.R Tolkien readers:
The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun.
From the link pasted below, this paragraph liked me: "important questions had to be answered. ``Is it complete? Is it coherent? Is it good enough? He doesn't publish books for commercial reasons. It's all about adding to the reputation of his father.''"
http://www.canada.com/Beyond+Middle+Ear ... story.html
The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun.
From the link pasted below, this paragraph liked me: "important questions had to be answered. ``Is it complete? Is it coherent? Is it good enough? He doesn't publish books for commercial reasons. It's all about adding to the reputation of his father.''"
http://www.canada.com/Beyond+Middle+Ear ... story.html
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Thanks for the link. I hope you don't mind but I copied and put your post up over at Worm's Sci-Fi Haven. I gave you full credit for the link.
I don't think this will be a repeat of what KJA is doing. This sounds like they are truly trying to honour the memory of Tolkien
I don't think this will be a repeat of what KJA is doing. This sounds like they are truly trying to honour the memory of Tolkien
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Thank you Eyes
Eyes High wrote:Thanks for the link. I hope you don't mind but I copied and put your post up over at Worm's Sci-Fi Haven. I gave you full credit for the link.
I don't think this will be a repeat of what KJA is doing. This sounds like they are truly trying to honour the memory of Tolkien
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Re: How do Tolkien readers receive news of "new" books?
Most Tolkien fans probably wouldn't read it anyway - most "Tolkien" fans are really "Middle-Earth" fans, i.e. they like LoTR, the Hobbit, the Silmarillion, everything in that universe, and most of them don't care about norse myths or anything else Tolkien worked on. Many do though. I love Tolkien but as far as myths go, I only have a little interest in norse myths, being more into the greek ones.
Christopher Tolkien is the model of what a writer should do with his father's literary standing. Awesome man. I've never been disappointed by ANYTHING he has done.
Christopher Tolkien is the model of what a writer should do with his father's literary standing. Awesome man. I've never been disappointed by ANYTHING he has done.
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That's always been my take on it as well, but I'm very much an outsider having only read a little of The Silmarillion.Schu wrote:Christopher Tolkien is the model of what a writer should do with his father's literary standing. Awesome man. I've never been disappointed by ANYTHING he has done.
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A coworker just bought that book. I don't think it really applies to our situation as it has nothing to do with TLotR.
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It is, however, another example of a son doing things with his father's work (and in this case, as far as I've found, a good job!)Freakzilla wrote:A coworker just bought that book. I don't think it really applies to our situation as it has nothing to do with TLotR.
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I talked with my co-worker about this, he thinks the Brittish have more respect for the legacy of their elders. That's a very generalized statement but I don't think it gives enough credit to Chris Tolkien.Schu wrote:It is, however, another example of a son doing things with his father's work (and in this case, as far as I've found, a good job!)Freakzilla wrote:A coworker just bought that book. I don't think it really applies to our situation as it has nothing to do with TLotR.
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Let us not forget that Tolkien left a huge archive of notes and world history for his son to utilise, a mountain compaired to want Frank left, iirc.
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Please, there's tons of stuff at Fullerton and they claim to have found boxes with reams of notes in Brian's garage (even if it's a lie).inhuien wrote:Let us not forget that Tolkien left a huge archive of notes and world history for his son to utilise, a mountain compaired to want Frank left, iirc.
If they were truthfull they could have given FH's legacy the C. Tolkien treatment.
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RAmen...Freakzilla wrote:Please, there's tons of stuff at Fullerton and they claim to have found boxes with reams of notes in Brian's garage (even if it's a lie).inhuien wrote:Let us not forget that Tolkien left a huge archive of notes and world history for his son to utilise, a mountain compaired to want Frank left, iirc.
If they were truthfull they could have given FH's legacy the C. Tolkien treatment.
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who is Tolkien ?
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Re: How do Tolkien readers receive news of "new" books?
Too right.Freakzilla wrote:If they were truthfull they could have given FH's legacy the C. Tolkien treatment.
Instead we get Road to Dune, which is completely ruined by the terrible "writing" from Bobo and The Hack. That "Seas of Caladan" (or whatever; I don't really care) is the lamest short story I've ever read.
And that looks like it's going to be it, forever. That's what happens when a family of idiots turns everything over to a money-grubbing hack.
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With The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun, important questions had to be answered. ``Is it complete? Is it coherent? Is it good enough? He doesn't publish books for commercial reasons. It's all about adding to the reputation of his father.''
This makes me jealous of the Tolkien franchise. How did Dune end up in the wrong hands?
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Last year at Dragon-Con, I got Keith to sign my copy of RtD and took the opportunity to ask if there was any chance of putting out another RtD type book, possibly with the "Outline" included. He said, everything of interest was put into RtD.TheDukester wrote:Too right.Freakzilla wrote:If they were truthfull they could have given FH's legacy the C. Tolkien treatment.
Instead we get Road to Dune, which is completely ruined by the terrible "writing" from Bobo and The Hack. That "Seas of Caladan" (or whatever; I don't really care) is the lamest short story I've ever read.
And that looks like it's going to be it, forever. That's what happens when a family of idiots turns everything over to a money-grubbing hack.
Anyone have any interest in seeing more of FH's notes/outline?
I would have even paid for another RtD. I still haven't read their "Spice Planet" crap.
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Must be the levelling drift...Drunken Idaho wrote:How did Dune end up in the wrong hands?
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Durrrr, nope...Freakzilla wrote:Anyone have any interest in seeing more of FH's notes/outline?
Hell yes, I would be interested in that. I would pour over them with a constant chubby. It would be hard to tell which bits to take seriously, and which bits might have been ideas that he had scrapped (even just in his head). Maybe most of it probably wouldn't make much sense at all. I know that when I go back and look at notes I have taken, even I have a hard time figuring out what the hell I meant.
And I gotta say Freak, if I ever saw KJA in person, I would find the urge to publicly insult him very difficult to resist. Also, anyone care to enlighten me as to why we call him Keith?
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You guys did not get my joke huh... I know who he is, but to me, who is he?
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I had my six-year-old son with me, I didn't want him to see daddy get arrested or anything like that.Drunken Idaho wrote:And I gotta say Freak, if I ever saw KJA in person, I would find the urge to publicly insult him very difficult to resist.
Dissrespect?Also, anyone care to enlighten me as to why we call him Keith?
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What better reason do you need?
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Heh, well I assumed that much... I just figured someone must have started it in some funny way. Oh well, no funny story for me...
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"Bonzo for Barsoom" Bob the Mad Martian Astronomer kept calling him "Keith" in his posts on DN and Amazon, etc etc.
No one knows why.
(I figure he threw a clot during his heart bypass and it lodged in his brain. Just a pet theory. )
And as to why Dune fell into the wrong hands: yeah, leveling. Brains and talent rarely breed true.
No one knows why.
(I figure he threw a clot during his heart bypass and it lodged in his brain. Just a pet theory. )
And as to why Dune fell into the wrong hands: yeah, leveling. Brains and talent rarely breed true.
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I knew it started somewhere but couldn't remember, thanks!SandChigger wrote:"Bonzo for Barsoom" Bob the Mad Martian Astronomer kept calling him "Keith" in his posts on DN and Amazon, etc etc.
No one knows why.
(I figure he threw a clot during his heart bypass and it lodged in his brain. Just a pet theory. )
And as to why Dune fell into the wrong hands: yeah, leveling. Brains and talent rarely breed true.
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Drunken Idaho wrote: This makes me jealous of the Tolkien franchise. How did Dune end up in the wrong hands?
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