as the military learned from 1948 on, it is easiest and most effective to deny things
and let the fringe rumor-mill run the incident into the ground;
after WWII, the American Government was not totally sure which Nazi Scientists they had,
and which Nazi Scientists the Soviet had ... since the Cold War was on, there was no communication
between the two sides, and so rumor and speculation took the place of intelligence, and the Red Scare
replaced rational thinking ....
the Nazi Scientists the Americans had were of course interrogated, or "debriefed" - of special
interest, of course, was any information they had on projects they themselves had not been
directly working on, but had heard about, or were doing supplemental research for ...
this allowed the Americans to cross-reference and try to determine what some of the projects
that the Nazi Scientists they did not have in custody were working on - with the speculation then
that the Soviets had custody of those scientists ...
one such project was a Vertical-Takeoff Aircraft - Allied Bombers penetrated German airspace with impunity
by 1944, and bombed German airstrips a faster rate than they could be repaired; during the last phase of the
war, the Luftwaffe was mostly out of the game because of this ...
German High Command sent down orders to one the teams working on jet engines to develop an aircraft that
would not require an airstrip to take off; there is also an alternate theory that this project had already been
underway, but by 1944 had been turned over to the SS .... with all those implications;
news, rumors, and propaganda about German "Secret Super Weapons" ran rampant during the war, churned
about by SS propaganda units, supressed or promoted by American authorites on whatever whim they were
operating under at the time - after the war, specualtion of the state of Nazi technology was an industry ....
it may be truth or rumor or government propaganda that US pilots were briefed to be on the lookout for
"flying disc aircraft" over Europe from 1946-1950 - by the time of the Korean Conflict, after Roswell, it
was taken for fact that US pilots were so briefed for that Arena - that the Soviets had the "Nazi Flying
Saucer" .....
in 1947 and 1948, the primary concern of the American Government was the development of atomic
weapons by the Soviets; various methods of montioring were being developed, including sesmic
"listening posts" and high-altitude particle collection; the US Air Force began modifying their
high-altitude weather ballons for this mission - these ballons would be placed as close to the Soviet
airspace as possible, with huge rolls of sticky paper - the paper would be trailed out behind the
balloon, collect the particles, rolled back in and analyzed for trace signs of radiation, and other
particles indicitive of an above-ground atomic explosion; this method of detection was used up
until the 1963 above-ground test treaty, but later with US cargo planes, skirting Soviet airspace;
(BTW, the first Soviet denotation was August 1949)
the Roswell crash was the turning point in the government's thinking; they did not want to publicly
admit that the object that crashed was in fact, one of these balloons; when the rumor-mill, already
charged with stories of Nazi UFOs, and "Flying Saucers", and aliens decided the crash was a extra-
terrestrial spacecraft, the Brass saw the opportunity to start a double- and triple-misinformation
campaign ....
they didn't have to deny it was a high-altitude particle-gathering balloon; no-one now believed
it was a baloon, anyway ... they denied it was a spacecraft, of whatever origin .... the 'wreckage' is
obviously that of a balloon, so they said "it was a high-altitude weather balloon", which was a
partial truth, but the UFO Believers thought it was a cover-up .... and it was, but not of a UFO ...
after that, the run-away mthos of the UFOs served the US Air Force as a blanket cover for anything;
except that, around 1955, the questions about US airspace security began - what are these UFOs
then, that the mighty US Air Force can't intercept or shoot-down? if you are lying to us because these
objects are in fact Soviet aircraft, aren't we in serious danger? if you are lying to us because these objects
are alien in origin and you don't know about them or aren't in contact with these "aliens", aren't we in
serious danger?
so the Company Line shifted to "there are no UFOs and those who believe in them or think they have
seen one are mentally unstable"; the press at the time was instructed to follow this line - and still do to
this day ...
this is an interesting critique of the "Nazi Flying Saucer" story,
actually on one of the "UFOlogist" webpages; I don't where the
author stands on the whole thing, but the Nazi stuff makes him mad;
http://www.ufologie.net/htm/germansaucerstsf.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I found his page looking for a photo of the V173:
but there are lots of other revelent photos and diagrams there ...
here's a page from one of Art Bell's best friends, demonstrating the long reach and
unintended consequences of the US & Soviet Propaganda Machines:
http://www.karenlyster.com/german.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
this is a 2008
Daily KOS article:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/23 ... 908/570664" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
some other random pics on the subject, some are of the era, some later,
google "Nazi Flying Saucers" if you want figger it all out ...
this is real photo of a real USAF project:
this is not:
some of you may be very well aware of the "Rosewell Incident"-
Project Bluebook-Majestic 12-
Project Paperclip
story, and how the USAF used propaganda and counter-propaganda and misinformation and so on to try to confuse and
obfuscate the true state of technology and airspace defense from the US public, US presidents and the Congress, the
Soviets, America's NATO allies, and so forth ... some of you may have never heard of the issue of "Nazi Spacemen" at all,
or never understood how the governments used and are still using the "UFOlogists" as disseminators of what they think they
want people to believe ...
anyway, and most of you are smart enough to see where I am going with this, to the issue at hand -
what this incident was, and there
no other rational, plausible explanation for it,
was an accidental launch of a missile from either a US Navy submarine or other warship;
#1) The US Navy cannot, will not, and will never state this was an accidental launch;
#2) Had this been an actual launch from a Chinese submarine, the American Government's reaction would have been very different;
#2a) the chinese government has no reason or desire for such a "show of force"; they also have no reason or desire for
any
type of military conflict with America; it is counter-intuitive to their thinking in global policy, and certainly against their economic policy;
they are not the ones beating the war-drums in this time and place ... however -
#3) the fascists, warmongers, and paranoid First-Strikers who run the American Military
certainly have a vested interest in keeping
the American people on-edge about China and their military capabilities, as do the Robber Barons who are seeing the global economic
markets sliding in China's favor, and as long as China has a government they cannot bully or control, they will attempt to raise the fear
and paranoia until the American people are clamoring for military action - which the John Wayne Right Wing already are - they have fully
accepted the "China-Sub" theory and are flooding the email inboxes of America right now with demands for some Chink-ass to be whipped ...
#4) the American military and Federal Government have had 60 years now of experience with using the "UFO denial" technique, so much
so that it's employed on a hundred different levels every day; they are very good at it - the blanket denial it was a American missile, or
a missile at all, the pro-offering of an implausible solution (an airplane) and the dismissal of critics of that solution, and the quiet tacit
approval of the China-Sub rumor, are all hallmarks of the propaganda technique ....
#5) the military and the Government know that with football season reaching its climax and "The Holidays" beginning, this incident will
quickly fade from the public consciousness ... except in the minds and webpages of the fringe, who continue to be fed rumors and the
occasional "interview with a government official" to keep the idea alive and tailored for their purposes, and to continue to foster the
by-now-well-accepted notion that "the government" "covers things up" ... which is what they want you to believe ...
it will be ten to twenty years before the truth of this incident is known; the information will come from a retired congressman or senator,
in his much-hyped "memoirs", at the prodding of his publisher, who knows this tidbit will boost sales and TV promo appearances;
the recollection of the conversation will sound something like this:
Random JCS General: Well, shit, Senator - it was just a fuck-up.
Senator (nodding): Uh-huh. Yeah,well ... thank God there wasn't a warhead on that fucker ...
Gen (chuckling): Oh, yeah ... goodchrist ... y'know, that thing came down the other side of Elko ?
Sen: No shit.
Gen: Yessir. If it'da had a warhead .... well, we'da
had to blame the Chinese ...
Sen (sighing): Hmph. And the war woulda be on
today ... well, they say that God looks after drunks & fools & little children ...
Gen: Yessir ... and it looks like them shitheels on that sub was all three ...
Sen: We thinking to just let this 'Chinese-Sub' rumor ride out ?
Gen (nodding): Yessir ... looks like a win-win ... with POTUS over there right now, they're thinking they'll be able to spin some
some good behind-closed-doors perceptions ....
Sen: Is he supposed to rattle sabers or kow-tow ?
Gen (scratching his head): Fuck, Senator, I don't really know ... the way they're having him play right now, it'll be a little of both,
depending on who's watching ... mostly kow-towing tho, I'd think; that's mostly where they're at with him, he makes it look like it's
all our fault, anyway ... gets the hawks all riled up ...
Sen: Yeah, they are certainly "riled up" .... have you seen this website ?
Gen (leaning forward, chuckles): Yessir. Hell, half them 'comments' are from Langley ....
Sen (leaning back in his chair): Well .... coulda been a lot worse, I guess ...
Gen: Oh, Yessir.
Sen: But ... I guess you people always
will make lemonade, huh ?
Gen (laughing): Sure as shit gonna try, sir.
Sen: This 'airplane' thing, tho .... hell, my seven year old grand-daughter doesn't believe that ...
Gen: Well, that's good,sir. Means it's working well.
Sen: I guess. Well, all right then, General. Thank you for your time. I think I know what to do now.
Gen (standing): Anytime, sir.
Sen: Well, I hope we won't have another time like this ... oh, by the way, I take it there was disciplinary action on the crew ?
Gen: Oh yessir - everyone involved and who had knowledge was taken off the ship and executed.
Sen: Good, good.
and when I turn out to be 100% correct about all this, y'all can dig me up and pour some Evan Williams thru my skull ....
on the other hand, there
is this totally authenticated and unexplainable photograph,
taken by an OSS officer who had infiltrated the German High Command in 1942 :
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