Glenn Beck is a Douchebag

[SandRider]

so this, and a variation of, has been bouncing around all day :

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... l_in_1990/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


then, surfing "that place" just now, I found this:

[Ampoliros]

We might need to get a copy of his Birth Certificate. That guy is waay to pasty and spineless to be a real American. come to think of it, lets ask for KJA's as well.

[SandRider]

http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.loudobbsisanidiot.com/glenn-beck/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


and they say we're mean ?

KJA should thank the gods we stick to just commenting on what he's
actually done & said ....

[Ampoliros]

(@twitter thread ) The president's speech to school children? Amazing, something KJA and I actually agree on. This shit is even more retarded than his books. These morons are actually getting pretty dangerous. Obama really needs to grow a spine on this and push back hard.

Requiring permission slips to have kids hear the presidents address? Seriously? Seriously? I think these parents should be forced to listen to it. You know some of them will show up at their kids schools to watch it and boo or shout it down. What message does that send to their kids?

FOX and these media pundits who are spreading fear are guilty of treason and sedition. Murdoch needs to be jailed as an enemy combatant. They are actively trying to manipulate the legislative process through scare tactics and terrorism. And for worse reasons, instead of (severely misguided) religious conviction they are doing it for money.

Watched a video of a woman with ALS being shouted down when she spoke about being afraid of losing her coverage and having her disease ruin her financially and begging for reform. ALS is what Stephen Hawking has.

This situation is getting out of control and Obama will be forced to use some authoritarian tactics just to put it down. Maybe its time to show these idiots what totalitarianism is all about.

They sure don't seem to have a problem with socialized Police, Fire and Emergency services. Or should we just let the Free market solve the California wildfires the same way Bush let the free market save New Orleans?

I bring this argument up here on a Dune forum because Dune was all about looking at Humanity on a long term basis. These bastards are subverting American Democracy for the shortest of short term plans. We cannot allow this to happen.

[Freakzilla]

(@twitter thread ) The president's speech to school children? Amazing, something KJA and I actually agree on. This shit is even more retarded than his books. These morons are actually getting pretty dangerous. Obama really needs to grow a spine on this and push back hard.

Requiring permission slips to have kids hear the presidents address? Seriously? Seriously? I think these parents should be forced to listen to it. You know some of them will show up at their kids schools to watch it and boo or shout it down. What message does that send to their kids?

That it's OK to not blindly follow the charasmatic leader like a sheep.

FOX and these media pundits who are spreading fear are guilty of treason and sedition. Murdoch needs to be jailed as an enemy combatant. They are actively trying to manipulate the legislative process through scare tactics and terrorism. And for worse reasons, instead of (severely misguided) religious conviction they are doing it for money.

May as well arrest Obama, too.

Watched a video of a woman with ALS being shouted down when she spoke about being afraid of losing her coverage and having her disease ruin her financially and begging for reform. ALS is what Stephen Hawking has.

This situation is getting out of control and Obama will be forced to use some authoritarian tactics just to put it down. Maybe its time to show these idiots what totalitarianism is all about.

That's a good message to send to the kids.

They sure don't seem to have a problem with socialized Police, Fire and Emergency services. Or should we just let the Free market solve the California wildfires the same way Bush let the free market save New Orleans?

My family moved away from new Orleans after Katrina. It worked for them. Wise man builds his house upon a rock.

I bring this argument up here on a Dune forum because Dune was all about looking at Humanity on a long term basis. These bastards are subverting American Democracy for the shortest of short term plans. We cannot allow this to happen.

Obama isn't subverting america?

[Ampoliros]

Do you seriously believe that Obama is some kind of terrorist planted in our government to destroy America?

Do you believe that people who hoped Obama could change some of the things in this country for the better are just blindly following a charismatic leader? I voted for Obama, I really like him, but I think he's way too nice a guy to be president. I'm really pissed at him right now because he's trying to placate the noise machine instead of ignoring it. He's playing Boy Scouts not Politics.

Do you think that the vocal outrage of people who are actively fighting something that is in their best interest at the behest of monopolistic insurance cartels is not the behavior of people following charismatic people such as Beck? Is Beck's salary paid by the fans who like him or by the advertisers who hire Fox to press talking points? BTW, I'm not a fan of Olberman and Maddow either, I think they are a reflection of the FOX style pundits. I do at least consider them to be sane however.

Seriously Freak, in all of the other discussions on this thread you show a keen intellect and a level mind. But mention anything that has to do with something broadcast over Fox and you become a mindless mule regurgitating their talking points. Turn off the TV for a week and see if you feel the same after you've thought about these things.

Those people showing up at the town hall meetings are not discussing their feelings, they are acting like a mob that is out of control with fear. Fear of what? that Obama wants to help them? How do you think Obama is subverting america? If he was a true socialist he'd just shove the bill through, no discussion. Insurance companies are actively and purposefully robbing people and our broken Health Care system is centered on making a profit ten times more than actually doing the job its supposed to do which is provide Health Care.

We joke about KJA's asinine plots well what is more asinine than a system whose role in our society is to cure the sick and yet is focused around providing profits for companies who will drop people from their coverage if they get to sick to be profitable. Why does everything have to be profitable and why is profit only measured in $$$. Isn't it more profitable to our country to have a health care system that keeps people from getting sick and promotes health?

More than losing his legacy to a paperback hack, I think Frank is spinning in his grave at how much our country has been subverted by profit rather than progress.

[Freakzilla]

No, I don't believe Obama is a terrorist plant, but I do believe he has dangerously radical ideals.

I don't even watch FOX News. It's on it the break room at work, that's all I ever see of it.

We're talking about destroying a HC system that a HUGE majority is happy with so we can insure a tiny minority.

Fuck them, I like my HC.

And this isn't really about HC, it's about the insane spending he's doing that my kids and their kids are going to be paying for, if not me.

The asshole can't even admit we're at war in fear of offending someone. Oh yeah, he's not spending any money on THAT!

[A Thing of Eternity]

No, I don't believe Obama is a terrorist plant, but I do believe he has dangerously radical ideals.

Radical ideas? The guy is so anti-radical he almost puts me to sleep sometimes. HC isn't radical, it's just common sense - right now might not be the time to do it, but radical it certainly aint.

[SandRider]

Jimmy Carter is the most moral, humane, intelligent, visionary man ever to be elected president.
The nation chewed his ass up and spit him out. The Tough-Guy wannabe John Waynes can't
stand that kind of person, and will always become the loudest in the debate. Peaceful, non-
confrontational people will always cede the floor to them. The angry white men interpret this
as the Will of God. Might makes Divine Right.

This is why America cannot have nice things.


regarding the school speech flap - I blame the bright-eyed young idiots on staff.
Yes, Reagan & Poppy Bush both gave welcome-back-to-school speeches shown
in classrooms nationwide - but the Federal Department of Education did not send
along a "lesson plan" with loaded essay questions like "Why I admire the president"
and "What I can do to help the president".

and also, as is the cause of most of this hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing,
the president is not only a Democrat, he's ....well, he's black..

[Freakzilla]

No, I don't believe Obama is a terrorist plant, but I do believe he has dangerously radical ideals.

Radical ideas? The guy is so anti-radical he almost puts me to sleep sometimes. HC isn't radical, it's just common sense - right now might not be the time to do it, but radical it certainly aint.

Fucking up the HC for 300M people so 50M (or much, much less) can have government HC sounds radical to me, but that's not his only radical ideal.


WE HAVE HEALTH CARE!

[A Thing of Eternity]

No, I don't believe Obama is a terrorist plant, but I do believe he has dangerously radical ideals.

Radical ideas? The guy is so anti-radical he almost puts me to sleep sometimes. HC isn't radical, it's just common sense - right now might not be the time to do it, but radical it certainly aint.

Fucking up the HC for 300M people so 50M (or much, much less) can have government HC sounds radical to me, but that's not his only radical ideal.


WE HAVE HEALTH CARE!

More americans are without healthcare than there are people in Canada. Not fantastic numbers, and a lot of people with healthcare get fucked over by it on a regular basis as far as I can see, and even if they're not one of the ones that gets outright fucked over, they get gouged. Our system works better.

And again, I agree that now might be a totally piss poor time for attempting this reform, but the reform itself is not the problem, it's the timing, and possibly the method (you may be totally right that they should start with medicaid reform rather than their current ideas).

What's his other radial ideal, obeying international law when it comes to prisoners of war?

[Freakzilla]

No, I don't believe Obama is a terrorist plant, but I do believe he has dangerously radical ideals.

Radical ideas? The guy is so anti-radical he almost puts me to sleep sometimes. HC isn't radical, it's just common sense - right now might not be the time to do it, but radical it certainly aint.

Fucking up the HC for 300M people so 50M (or much, much less) can have government HC sounds radical to me, but that's not his only radical ideal.


WE HAVE HEALTH CARE!

More americans are without healthcare than there are people in Canada. Not fantastic numbers, and a lot of people with healthcare get fucked over by it on a regular basis as far as I can see, and even if they're not one of the ones that gets outright fucked over, they get gouged.

How many times do I have to say I'm not against HC reform? That is not the same a government takeover.

Our system works better.

Like the towns with ONE doctor who do lottery drawings to see who gets care?

And again, I agree that now might be a totally piss poor time for attempting this reform, but the reform itself is not the problem, it's the timing, and possibly the method (you may be totally right that they should start with medicaid reform rather than their current ideas).

What's his other radial ideal, obeying international law when it comes to prisoners of war?

Cap and trade, federalization of education...

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[A Thing of Eternity]

Our system works better.

Like the towns with ONE doctor who do lottery drawings to see who gets care?

What's your source on that? We do first come first serve, with priority over that always given based on need. I've never heard otherwise.

[Freakzilla]

Our system works better.

Like the towns with ONE doctor who do lottery drawings to see who gets care?

What's your source on that? We do first come first serve, with priority over that always given based on need. I've never heard otherwise.

It was on the national news the other night, I don't remember which channel. The bigger problem was, the ONE doctor was about to retire and they can't find one to replace him.

Regardless, I'd rather pay my big insurance company than have the US government take care of me.

[A Thing of Eternity]

Our system works better.

Like the towns with ONE doctor who do lottery drawings to see who gets care?

What's your source on that? We do first come first serve, with priority over that always given based on need. I've never heard otherwise.

It was on the national news the other night, I don't remember which channel. The bigger problem was, the ONE doctor was about to retire and they can't find one to replace him.

Staffing can be a problem - especially depending on if you live in too capitalist a province (like mine). Don't get me wrong, our system has plenty of issues. Doesn't make it worse by a long shot.

But as for the whole lottery thing I call BS. I don't trust the media to have portayed the situation in anything even resembling reality, based on what I've seen in the media so far.

Regardless, I'd rather pay my big insurance company than have the US government take care of me.

Why can't there be both options?

EDIT TO ADD: I love our rediculous debates, I don't know why we bother though, neither of us is going to budge an inch, we're both too stubborn and biased.

[Freakzilla]

Our system works better.

Like the towns with ONE doctor who do lottery drawings to see who gets care?

What's your source on that? We do first come first serve, with priority over that always given based on need. I've never heard otherwise.

It was on the national news the other night, I don't remember which channel. The bigger problem was, the ONE doctor was about to retire and they can't find one to replace him.

Staffing can be a problem - especially depending on if you live in too capitalist a province (like mine). Don't get me wrong, our system has plenty of issues. Doesn't make it worse by a long shot.

But as for the whole lottery thing I call BS. I don't trust the media to have portayed the situation in anything even resembling reality, based on what I've seen in the media so far.

Regardless, I'd rather pay my big insurance company than have the US government take care of me.

Why can't there be both options?

THERE ARE! if you cannt afford you own, you can get medicare r medicaid. Why can't we just fix those?

EDIT TO ADD: I love our rediculous debates, I don't know why we bother though, neither of us is going to budge an inch, we're both too stubborn and biased.

Because it's good to hear both side, even if they're both crazy.

[SandRider]

federalization of education...

WTF ? where's this coming from ?
Education's been a Federal function since The War.
(one of those Yankee-things we were fighting against in the first place ...)
(nevermind - I'll stomp about that in "The South will Rise Again" thread)

but I've agreed with alot of your points on Healthcare.
I'm real happy with mine (again, Union sponsored & paid for, all that damn communism)

and while in theory, I support a National Plan, in reality, it's never going to happen.
And certainly not in such a short period of time.

What I've always thought of as "HealthCare Reform" is some way to lessen the
profit-motive of the insurance pirates & BigPharma.

CEO's of major insurance companies literally make tens of thousands of dollars an hour.
That's just as much bullshit as the oil companies ....

again, tho, if we start looking at "Healthcare" the same way we look at fire departments, cops,
water treatment, etc, a "federal takeover" doesn't sound as scary ...

[SandRider]

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[Nekhrun]

if you cannt afford you own, you can get medicare r medicaid. Why can't we just fix those?

I'm all for expanding those programs to include others without insurance. I think it would be a lot less work. Then they could spend the time reforming those programs and setting up some regulations on the insurance companies.

[SandRider]

I'll go for that, if "regulation" = profit cap.

[Freakzilla]

:grabs chest: It's the big one Elizabeth!

[Drunken Idaho]

so this, and a variation of, has been bouncing around all day :

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... l_in_1990/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

then, surfing "that place" just now, I found this:

I love this. Very nice way to make a point. Throwing his "Some people say" bullshit right back in his face. I love how the guy who wrote that article doesn't even get it.

I bring this argument up here on a Dune forum because Dune was all about looking at Humanity on a long term basis. These bastards are subverting American Democracy for the shortest of short term plans. We cannot allow this to happen.

That's the main reason for my loathing of capitalism as it is today. I've been over it a couple times in thread alone. This idiotic capitalist notion that monetary profit can be infinite, is so stupidly short-sighted that Frank Herbert would barf. A lot of oil and insurance companies (and many others) might as well be Lexcorp. Destroying the environment and people's lives, sounds like evil master plans to me. But no, it's all protected in the name of "free enterprise," another god-given American right.

Our system is better.

Our system ain't perfect, but the US is the only industrialized nation without universal healthcare. And you don't hear about us, or any other countries trying to reform healthcare back to a privatized system. Why is that? Because it would be absurd. Did I mention that Tommy Douglas, the founder of universal healthcare in Canada, was recently voted The Greatest Canadian of All Time by a CBC poll? When has an insurance company ever recieved that praise of that caliber, besides their own commercials?

Now, I haven't read the bill (is there even a bill yet?) but a lot of people who talk about a "government takeover of healthcare" also talk about the government "deciding" whether or not you receive healthcare, which is just not how it works in any socialized system that already exists. Here are some flow-charts to illustrate:


The Misconception about Universal HC:

Patient --> Bureaucratic Review --> Doctors


How it works in Canada:

Government $$ --> Doctors --> Patient


The current system in the US:

Patient --> Profit-Driven Corporate Entity --> Doctors

[SandRider]

[SandRider]

various comments from around teh interwebs:

ChumInWater said
September 4, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I hope nobody has updated Glenn Beck’s Wikipedia page to reflect these recent rape-murder rumors. I hope.

Whatever you do, do not go to either of the two main blogs on Glenn Beck’s web site (http://www.glennbeck.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) and bombard those poor people with annoying demands for facts and evidence of Glenn’s innocence. Please.

1234 said
September 4, 2009 at 9:48 pm

I know I’ll sound like an asshole, but I’m not even focusing on all of the thousands of people he’s already raped.

That shit already happened. Let’s focus on thwarting the rapes yet to come.

NOTfromtheLEFT said
September 4, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Glenn Beck has a more important agenda like protecting the Constitution than to respond to your homeroom rumor! You all are tools, I mean get a grip! I could only imagine how you would feel if somebody started a horrible rumor about each one of you at your place of employment because that person thought they were better than you so they retaliated with hateful rumors! And to be ignorant enough to demand an answer over a rumor! Such childish behavior.Here one for you, I think it was Teddy, you know after he flipped his car in the river with that passenger who was left scratching at the upholstery while drowning Teddy walked back to the mansion drunk, you’ve heard this before right? Well maybe that is when it took place and Glenn was never even there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on everybody lets start a new rumor! come on come on it’ll be fun I promi

Jim Gardner said
September 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Too Safe: When you say Glenn Beck raped and murdered a “woman” in 1990, is this new information? I had presumed for no reason whatsoever up until this point that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. What you’re saying is that there was also a women involved. This is clearly a guy who hates all females. I’m not saying he a sexist, just that he has a problem with women.

AnotherFineMess said
September 5, 2009 at 7:18 PM


By the way, I’ve heard from a friend who is a webmaster that things are about to get really serious: Fox news are sending out C+D letters to just about anybody involved with this controversy. Basically anybody who has asked about what Glenn Beck did in 1990 is being told to hand over their domain name to Fox and never discuss Glenn Beck again.

JUST WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE?

#
Dr Zen:

It would be wrong not to speculate that Glenn Beck raped a woman in 1990, although there’s absolutely no proof he didn’t.

#
SandRider:

I haven’t had this much fun on teh interwebs since the last Kevin J. Anderson interview. At first, I enjoyed seeing people expressing their disgust with Beck and his methods, and having a good laugh at his expense. Then, I just got rolled over by the way the right-wingers went nuts. Priceless. Finally, tho, and the best, has been in the last couple of days when the general American moron has stumbled in, totally oblivious to the joke itself. Thanks again, all you gimps & fags of 4chan, who thought this up & spread it around. >9000 internets4U.

BeckHayter said:

Instead of actually refuting the facts. I know. Not one person has come in here with a link to Glenn Beck’s murder record to prove that not one of them involved a rape and a girl in 1990.

4:12 PM True Believer wrote ...

If you really cared about women, Charlie, you would demand that Glenn Beck clear the air once and for all by making an official response to rumors that he raped and murdered a girl in 1990 while on a cocaine and alcohol binge. I don't claim to know the truth, but the topic should be discussed. Why won't Glenn Beck deny these allegations?

shoulda put some of these in "the Challenge" ....

[Crysknife]

Our system works better.

Like the towns with ONE doctor who do lottery drawings to see who gets care?

What's your source on that? We do first come first serve, with priority over that always given based on need. I've never heard otherwise.

It was on the national news the other night, I don't remember which channel. The bigger problem was, the ONE doctor was about to retire and they can't find one to replace him.

Regardless, I'd rather pay my big insurance company than have the US government take care of me.

Freak, weren't you in the military? Did you ever get any benefits from that? Didn't the Govt. just help you with your house?

And the Govt. won't take of you. They will pay a doctor to do that.

At the town halls here the congressmen were actually joining in on the shouting down of public option supporters. Guess they don't recognize those people as voters or constituents. So much for civil debate around these parts.