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I expect it to be truly amazing.The bulk of our time, however, was devoted to brainstorming an original science fiction series of our own, similar in scope and theme to our DUNE novels, but a new creation. From this point on, Brian and I expect to write a DUNE novel only every other year, and alternate with new books of our own.
We'll never know...Tleilax Master B wrote:Hehe, true dat.SandChigger wrote:I do.
The art of kanly still has its admirers, you know.
Actually, it will be VERY interesting to see what sales are like when the word DUNE isn't plastered all over the front cover......
From the authors who brought you Dune!
...some other piece of shit.
SandChigger wrote:(Oh, orald, would you please have a beer or two?And you got the nikkud slightly wrong on infidel, btw.
Simon, their new Dune books are about as "unfettered" as it gets. They pay only soiled-ass-smelling lip service to the principles of the universe they claim to be writing in.
I read some of Hidden Empire while home last summer, and have been skimming through Timeweb here recently. Both are the sort of badly written science-fantasy-masquerading-as-science-fiction that give science fiction a bad name. Just a little above the level of those Harlotin' Romance pulps that were my mother's guilty pleasure. (Much as it pains me to admit it, though, Kevin comes across as being the better writer of the two. Which isn't saying much, seeing how Timeweb reads like Brian himself didn't proofread it; you have to wonder WTF the editors got paid for.)
I got no problem with you enjoying them, though. Evidently a lot of people do. Me, though, I'm an elitist snob (just ask Kevin!). The only thing I want to put in the jar when I read is my dentures.
(When you get done with the Saga, have a look at Dan Simmons' Hyperion Cantos (only four books, not seven) and then let's talk about how original or good Kevin's series is.
orald wrote:typo...
I've tried readinh Hyperion 2-3 times now, and I've never been able to get much into it, the begining is quite boring from what I remember, though it's been at least 4-5 years.
Maybe I'll d/l, err, buy them some day.
Simon, you know the expression "finger-licking good"? Well, P&B's ramblings are more like ass-licking good IMO.
Heck, I bet Star Trek novels make for better reading than theirs, and that's saying ALOT.
I don't know man. Nothing is a s bad as a sub par Star Trek/Star Wars novel, some of those books are pretty freakin' god awful! But that makes it less science fiction. His stuff doesn't rise above the level of Star Wars or Star Trek. Basically fantasy with flashing electric lights.Simon wrote:In address to the prominet "fantasy" element in SotSS, I actually agree with you on that, but I also take it as a good thing (in this particular instance).
What was non-(New)"Dune" about it? Short chapters, shallow characters, too much telling with little showing...and that was just my impression from a few of the "chapters". The style of writing/storytelling is exactly the same. Different setting, characters and story, sure. But same droning nasal whine.I like it for it's non-Dune qualities (change of pace, you know?). I'm a big fan of his non-humanoid aliens interacting with the humanoids, and his character developement is always surprising, for better or worse (I personally feel it's all just a matter of taste).
)Well, yeah, nobody wants to read something where the ending is too obvious, do they? The problem seems to be that you never know what ad hoc/deus ex machina shit Kevin is going to pull out of his backside.I like not being able to guess what the ending of a story will be, and as of the end of "Forest of Stars", I have no idea where the chips will fall and who will survive, to me thats a good thing...
I can think of about three websites full of users who would think you are way high for even comparing those shitty Dune books with the GRRM fantasy masterpieces.Simon wrote:I can agree with on this: If you like Nu-Dune, then you'll like SotSS, if you don't, then you may not.
By non-Dune I meant, no Dune staples, sandworms, Arrakis, RM's, etc...
It's definitly lighter reading than some sci-fi but it's still quite good IMHO.
Once I'm done with this series I'll hit you guys up and get some suggestions on what you guys feel are essentials and check those out.
Err, I thought you two were talking about the Saga of the Seven Shits, err, Suns.Omphalos wrote:I can think of about three websites full of users who would think you are way high for even comparing those shitty Dune books with the GRRM fantasy masterpieces.
*hint hint, get to reading it Chig* Sorry. Brain fart. Im sure that if you love the new Dune books you will be more than happy with KJA's other shit. More power to ya.orald wrote:Err, I thought you two were talking about the Saga of the Seven Shits, err, Suns.Omphalos wrote:I can think of about three websites full of users who would think you are way high for even comparing those shitty Dune books with the GRRM fantasy masterpieces.
What's GRRM's ASoIaF got to do with it?
On a side note, I just thought of it, but wouldn't Chig just love that one of the few clear villains is a cat lady...of sorts?
Not only have they snubbed him they've used his 'ideas', as well...Omphalos wrote:They supposedly found thousands of pages of notes, but almost everything in the Road to Dune was taken from what they photocopied at the collection at Fullerton, while snubbing McNeilly at the same time regarding the encyclopedia and his relationship with Frank. Real classy...
