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SandChigger wrote:Especially when you remember that they're not speaking English. ;)
Well, okay, but you know what I mean :).

"Turncoat" and "Bulldoze" have meanings specific to our own place and time. Even allowing for an "english translation" of the narrative (which gets us into some strange meta-contextual topic I don't want to think about), those words shouldn't be used.

Well, okay, Frank wouldn't have used them. I guess that's my point :).

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I ran into boatloads (pun intended) of these in sandworms, mostly from the bene gesserit though which while tasteless is explainable in the duniverse.
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Yeah, explanable, but not particularly believable.

What was the example you mentioned in your review, "stepping up to the plate"? Sure, BGs might get the reference, but I find it hard to believe that an expression derived from a 20th century Terran sport is going to be more relevant than any other cultural reference from 25,000 years of history on a million worlds.

Or maybe that's the closest equivalent in Modern English of what they really said. :roll:
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Maybe it should have been "stepping up to the spice agony"? :wink: :roll:
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:lol:
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A Thing of Eternity wrote:Maybe it should have been "stepping up to the spice agony"? :wink: :roll:
:D

It might seem like nitpicking, but it's the absence of these 20th Century references in FH's work that contributes to the sense of another world, another time.

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The Sons of Idaho wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Do you mean the silly "rogo transmitters"
Yep.

Named after an Ixian named Rogo, who taught C'Tair how to build it after he was dead. He was taught by visions of a dead guy (and I'm pretty sure there was no OM involved, latent or otherwise).
C'Tair had vision of a dead guy??? Was not it a Rogo's hologram???

Holy shit! It was even worst that I thought....Did they introduce ghosts in Duniverse??

I don't think it was OM, because Rogo is not preceding C'tair...

Here it is the transcription:
House Atreides, page 424 wrote:
Through smoke and acrid fumes, he recognized the form of the old inventor Davee Rogo, the crippled genius who had befriended the twins and taught them his innovations. As C'tair gasped, the apparition began to whisper in a frail, creaking voice. Was it a ghost . . . a vision, a mad hallucination? Eccentric Rogo seemed to be telling C'tair what to do, what technological components he needed, and how to put them all together.

"Are you real?" C'tair whispered, stepping closer. "What are you telling me?"

For some reason the blurry image of old Rogo did not respond to questions. C'tair didn't understand, but he listened. Wires and metal parts lay strewn at his feet where a machine had been wrecked by indiscriminate explosives. These are components I need.
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Clearly, it's been sent by the Normacle! :o

All praise the Normacle!
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orald wrote:Clearly, it's been sent by the Normacle! :o

All praise the Normacle!
All I want is to praise you. :roll:
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Ah! Return of the non-Native! :P

Gi'e us a hug, laddy! :twisted:
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Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:
The Sons of Idaho wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Do you mean the silly "rogo transmitters"
Yep.

Named after an Ixian named Rogo, who taught C'Tair how to build it after he was dead. He was taught by visions of a dead guy (and I'm pretty sure there was no OM involved, latent or otherwise).
C'Tair had vision of a dead guy??? Was not it a Rogo's hologram???

Holy shit! It was even worst that I thought....Did they introduce ghosts in Duniverse??

I don't think it was OM, because Rogo is not preceding C'tair...

Here it is the transcription:
House Atreides, page 424 wrote:
Through smoke and acrid fumes, he recognized the form of the old inventor Davee Rogo, the crippled genius who had befriended the twins and taught them his innovations. As C'tair gasped, the apparition began to whisper in a frail, creaking voice. Was it a ghost . . . a vision, a mad hallucination? Eccentric Rogo seemed to be telling C'tair what to do, what technological components he needed, and how to put them all together.

"Are you real?" C'tair whispered, stepping closer. "What are you telling me?"

For some reason the blurry image of old Rogo did not respond to questions. C'tair didn't understand, but he listened. Wires and metal parts lay strewn at his feet where a machine had been wrecked by indiscriminate explosives. These are components I need.
There were ghosts in Dune. When Liet is left out to die in the desert, the ghost of his father lectures him as he dies. Some people think it was just a halucination, but those people are dumb-dubms.

See, there are no inconsistencies between the new books and the originals, it's just the readers's fault for not paying attention.
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Ya, dem stooped riders! :x
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chanilover wrote:
Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:
The Sons of Idaho wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Do you mean the silly "rogo transmitters"
Yep.

Named after an Ixian named Rogo, who taught C'Tair how to build it after he was dead. He was taught by visions of a dead guy (and I'm pretty sure there was no OM involved, latent or otherwise).
C'Tair had vision of a dead guy??? Was not it a Rogo's hologram???

Holy shit! It was even worst that I thought....Did they introduce ghosts in Duniverse??

I don't think it was OM, because Rogo is not preceding C'tair...

Here it is the transcription:
House Atreides, page 424 wrote:
Through smoke and acrid fumes, he recognized the form of the old inventor Davee Rogo, the crippled genius who had befriended the twins and taught them his innovations. As C'tair gasped, the apparition began to whisper in a frail, creaking voice. Was it a ghost . . . a vision, a mad hallucination? Eccentric Rogo seemed to be telling C'tair what to do, what technological components he needed, and how to put them all together.

"Are you real?" C'tair whispered, stepping closer. "What are you telling me?"

For some reason the blurry image of old Rogo did not respond to questions. C'tair didn't understand, but he listened. Wires and metal parts lay strewn at his feet where a machine had been wrecked by indiscriminate explosives. These are components I need.
There were ghosts in Dune. When Liet is left out to die in the desert, the ghost of his father lectures him as he dies. Some people think it was just a halucination, but those people are dumb-dubms.

See, there are no inconsistencies between the new books and the originals, it's just the readers's fault for not paying attention.
Sorry, but i don't think that....

For me, what happened to Liet always will be a natural hallucination, because this is the explanation that make sense in the Duniverse, not ghosts.

Lets put Dune in his real genre: It's a Science Fiction. Not fantasy.

We never saw in the original Dune books any expression of "the spiritual realms", "actions of God" or something like that.

It would be a non-sense believe in such thing coming from Frank Herbert's Dune books. A universe where the characters manipulate the religions and play of Gods.




"Some people think it was just a halucination, but those people are dumb-dumbs."

I think that you didn't understand the real plots inside Dune.
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Lisan Al-Gaib wrote: "Some people think it was just a halucination, but those people are dumb-dumbs."

I think that you didn't understand the real plots inside Dune.
I think he was joking. :D
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He was joking. Chanilover does that a lot.
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Hehe, yeah, pretty sure that was a joke. He forgot to mention the part where Liet's ghost is pulled into the Sietch by a gaggle of horny Fremen psychics and is "rogered half to death" (or was that "rogo-ed" half to death, I can't remember..):P
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:shock:

B, I told you before, that copy of Dune of yours just ain't right. :o
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Tleilax Master B wrote:Hehe, yeah, pretty sure that was a joke. He forgot to mention the part where Liet's ghost is pulled into the Sietch by a gaggle of horny Fremen psychics and is "rogered half to death" (or was that "rogo-ed" half to death, I can't remember..):P
Dune is no joking matter. Did you know when Liet was left out in the sands after having his stillsuit ripped off him from some hungry Harkonnen tops, he was laughed at when they saw he was wearing a see-through negligee underneath.
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chanilover wrote:Did you know when Liet was left out in the sands after having his stillsuit ripped off him from some hungry Harkonnen tops, he was laughed at when they saw he was wearing a see-through negligee underneath.
Oh, how you'd love to see that scene in the new Dune movie... :shock:
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B...never mind. It looks like there are even weirder versions floating around out there.... :P
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chanilover wrote:Some people think it was just a halucination, but those people are dumb-dubms.
Hahahaha! Comedy gold :lol:
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SandChigger wrote::shock:

B...never mind. It looks like there are even weirder versions floating around out there.... :P
Hehe, well, I knew CL would out do me. I have the feeling we have tapped directly into Orald's mind :wink:
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You really have no idea what's in my mind, do ya? :wink:

And...you wouldn't really want to know...trust me.
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chanilover wrote:...Did you know when Liet was left out in the sands after having his stillsuit ripped off him from some hungry Harkonnen tops, he was laughed at when they saw he was wearing a see-through negligee underneath.
When the new movie comes out you can thank me for that part. I wrote that. It was the ultimate negligee, and it made him feel like a goddess. I asked Kevin if he would put it into his book Paul of Dude, too, but I have'not heard back yet. 8)
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WHAT WILL EMPEROR MUAD'DIB DO?!

Beset on all sides by conspirators who just want to jerk him off...the Imperial Throne...what CAN he do?!

PULL OF DUDE

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