True origins of Erasmus and Omnius

[Slugger]

Forgive me if this has been posted before, but this fun thought struck me in class today. It's been a very long time since I read the Butlerian Jihad/Sadworms novels, but bear with my descriptions and reasoning.

Omnius: fear of foldspace, leader (in title) of an empire
Brian: fear of flying, "leader" of literary empire

Erasmus: true leader of the machine empire, wants to experience human life
theHack: true writer of the McDune books, wants to experience the recognition of the literary acclaim.

Furthermore, we could speculate that Duncan Idaho represents Frank himself: appears (written) in all original Dune novels, is a significant influence in the story of the Duniverse. Thus, when Erasmus merges with the super-duper KH that Duncan becomes in a collection of paper that has Dune written on the cover, it's as those Keith has finally merged with Frank in terms of accomplishment or impact. He has "become" Frank in leading the Duniverse.

Not sure where the bit about Erasmus being a cross-dresser fits into all this.... :/

[Crysknife]

I think Frank would laugh at the concept of a machine having the emotion of fear, or much of any emotions.

Don't have much to comment on the rest of your post. 2 demensional characters for 2 demensional people with dementia.

[Nekhrun]

This isn't the first time it's been suggested that McDune is autobiographical:
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Makes sense that we would hate the characters and those who write them; they're one in the same.

[Freakzilla]

I guess if you can't create something original you're just left with yourself.

[SandRider]

wait ... wait ...
back the FUCK up:

when Erasmus merges with the super-duper KH that Duncan becomes

is that what really happened in Waterworms?
you know, the McDune 7.5 that I never came close
to reading, or paying much attention to when it was
discussed here ?

really ?
I mean, I got that the Duncan somehow became the "Ultra-Queeffart Paddywhack" or whatever
and then it turned out that Norma was God, but I missed the tidbit about the robot "merging" ....

on one hand, I'm shocked & appalled, on the other hand ... well, I gots a rock glass of Weller's
in that hand, so I'm guessing Keith can go poke himself in the asshole with a sharp stick ... again ...

(and again ... and again ...)

[Nekhrun]

wait ... wait ...
back the FUCK up:

when Erasmus merges with the super-duper KH that Duncan becomes

is that what really happened in Waterworms?
you know, the McDune 7.5 that I never came close
to reading, or paying much attention to when it was
discussed here ?

Yep. It happened.

[Freakzilla]

wait ... wait ...
back the FUCK up:

when Erasmus merges with the super-duper KH that Duncan becomes

is that what really happened in Waterworms?
you know, the McDune 7.5 that I never came close
to reading, or paying much attention to when it was
discussed here ?

Yep. It happened.

:ducks:

[Hunchback Jack]

I mean, I got that the Duncan somehow became the "Ultra-Queeffart Paddywhack" or whatever ...

Yes. That's *exactly* what he became.

HBJ

[Omphalos]

This isn't the first time it's been suggested that McDune is autobiographical:
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Makes sense that we would hate the characters and those who write them; they're one in the same.

If you believe Bobo in Dreamer everything FH ever wrote was autobiographical.

Review coming shortly.

[Nekhrun]

This isn't the first time it's been suggested that McDune is autobiographical:
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Makes sense that we would hate the characters and those who write them; they're one in the same.

If you believe Bobo in Dreamer everything FH ever wrote was autobiographical.

Review coming shortly.

Then that was a shitty lesson to leave his son who would go on to do nothing of consequence. Frank did cool shit so he wrote cool stories; Bobo Neckbolts is a pathetic loser with daddy issues so he teamed up with a dicta-hiking hack who only pretends to have "adventures" so they could write about their own boring selves.

[SandChigger]

I'm completely cool with the idea that Frank Herbert was a shitty father.

I can even live with the suggestion that he may have been a shitty person.

I mean, look at the family he left behind: somebody fucked up somewhere.

I guess the moral is: You can be a shitty person IF YOU WRITE GOOD BOOKS.

Neither KJA nor Brian are even in the right ballpark.

[Crysknife]

I'm completely cool with the idea that Frank Herbert was a shitty father.

I can even live with the suggestion that he may have been a shitty person.

I mean, look at the family he left behind: somebody fucked up somewhere.

I guess the moral is: You can be a shitty person IF YOU WRITE GOOD BOOKS.

Neither KJA nor Brian are even in the right ballpark.

And to leave your family with a legacy like Dune......They need to get over it. So Frank was a bit of a bastard, who the hell isn't?

[A Thing of Eternity]

Yup, even OSC is all good as an author to me, dispite being a real piece of work as a human being.

The issue with KJA is that he's BOTH a loser and a horrible writer.

[Apjak]

a short list of Great Men who were less than great when it came to being fathers.

Ben Franklin


Woody Allen


Marcus Aurelius


The Great Santini

[Nekhrun]

Also God. He let Jesus get messed up.

[A Thing of Eternity]

Also God. He let Jesus get messed up.

[SandChigger]

Also God. He let Jesus get messed up.

Well, that's just because he's always been into child sacrifice and the abuse of children.

Where do you think the Catholics get it from?

[Freakzilla]

Or Joseph, for letting his virgin wife sleep with aliens.

[Omphalos]

My son and I were at lunch today with my family. He and I were speaking to each other and he brought up the topic of sacraments. He said that marriage was one of the sacraments a person could choose, then asked me what the other one was. I told him it was cannibalism. He laughed, but when that got back to my wife the laughter stopped. That'll teach him to blab.

[SandChigger]

I caught part of an early X Files episode this afternoon, the one about the cannibals in the town with the chicken processing plant. Mulder made a comparison between vampirism and certain cannibalistic rituals meant to ensure eternal life and included communion among the latter. Reminded me of that vampire flick a few years back where Judas was portrayed as the first vampire, thus explaining the aversion to crosses and silver; can't recall the title offhand (again).

But yeah, the major sacrament of the religion is a reenactment of symbolic cannibalism. How screwed up is that?

Merry Christmas!

[Freakzilla]

Is it really cannibalism if Jesus was a zombie? He's just trying to infect others.

[D Pope]

Herbert continued, "I usually write the first draft of the Erasmus character. Kevin came up with a character -- a Thinking Machine who was researching what it was like to be human -- and I said let's add (the Nazi medical researcher) Dr Mengele to him and make him really dark and strange. Then Kevin laughed and said, 'Boy Brian, I don't know if I can write that, you'd better do it!' He wasn't saying that couldn't write it -- it was just a little dig that only my twisted mind could write that character. So we have a lot of fun. We riff off each other, like a musical performance."

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Am I taking this topic too literally?

[SandChigger]

Am I taking this topic too literally?

Yes.

Where he says "riff", for instance, he really means "suck".

Is it really cannibalism if Jesus was a zombie? He's just trying to infect others.

"I want you to drink my blood, belah belah belah!"

Yeah... real zombies want to eat your flesh; Zombie Jew wants YOU to eat HIS.

So in addition to being a failure as a Jewish prophet, he also fails as a zombie vampire.

That's a MASSIVE FAIL in my book.

[lotek]

Herbert continued, "I usually write the first draft of the Erasmus character. Kevin came up with a character -- a Thinking Machine who was researching what it was like to be human -- and I said let's add (the Nazi medical researcher) Dr Mengele to him and make him really dark and strange. Then Kevin laughed and said, 'Boy Brian, I don't know if I can write that, you'd better do it!' He wasn't saying that couldn't write it -- it was just a little dig that only my twisted mind could write that character. So we have a lot of fun. We riff off each other, like a musical performance."

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Am I taking this topic too literally?

I remember the riff business, I think he meant chaff.

[SadisticCynic]

And I think you mean 'chafe'.