The Big Three: Let 'em burn!

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 18 Nov 2008 23:00

Or just relocate closer to the border.

mielikki · Post by **mielikki** » 19 Nov 2008 01:52

SandRider wrote: First off, I'm speaking from the perspective of a 35 year union man, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)

Hey, there.

20 year member CEP here (formerly CPU).
Went management......bad move in the paper industry... now out of the industry.

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 19 Nov 2008 08:59

I'm only a little angry at the CEP up there and the CWA down here.
They've been stealing our fiber splicers left & right, but then, they
generally offer a better deal, so .....

y'all watch C-span today if you can - see first hand what the Big 3's
arguments are.

{edit for typo}

Drunken Idaho · Post by **Drunken Idaho** » 19 Nov 2008 09:32

SandRider wrote:I'm only a little angry at the CEP up there and the CWA down here.
They've been stealing out fiber splicers left & right, but then, they
generally offer a better deal, so .....

y'all watch C-span today if you can - see first hand what the Big 3's
arguments are.

I don't get C-Span up here, maybe I'll youtube it later...

But here are the two lies you'll hear from them:

"Our concern lies primarily in the massive job-losses our valued workers will face."

"After we receive this bail-out, we'll put an emphasis on renewable fuels and other domestic, clean resources."

GamePlayer · Post by **GamePlayer** » 19 Nov 2008 10:43

I want the companies to fail. I want the unions to collapse. I want to see the whole shitty industry shaken to it's core.

Then, when everything is reduced to rubble, someone can come in with a new idea, a new model and a new business that actually works. A nice big reset button.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 19 Nov 2008 16:02

Looks like it may have been a bad idea for the auto industry execs to fly their private jets to Washington to beg for money.

mielikki · Post by **mielikki** » 19 Nov 2008 18:07

Mandy wrote:Why should the companies (any company) be forced to pay workers more than the minimum wage?

because you can't live on minimum wage?

Post by **Freakzilla** » 19 Nov 2008 18:14

mielikki wrote:
Mandy wrote:Why should the companies (any company) be forced to pay workers more than the minimum wage?
because you can't live on minimum wage?

Who says employers have to pay you enough to live on?

Nobody is forced to work for the auto industry. They can move, get another job, get a second job, etc...

Post by **Omphalos** » 19 Nov 2008 18:54

I think that unions still have a place. But the fact is that what the UAW has done, IMHO, is harshly and stupidly anti-competative, especially in a world where many of the worker's rights and affairs issues that they care about have been handled and are already part of the law. And I say that they are still necessary because there are still some injustices, and to prevent backsliding. But as for the auto industry, other plants that are non-union pay good money and the workers seem to be happy without all that expensive protection.

A Thing of Eternity · Post by **A Thing of Eternity** » 19 Nov 2008 19:28

I agree unions are still important, here and abroad, especially in developing nations, (but gods save you if you work for Coca Cola and you try to start a union...

seriously bad idea) but they have gone to far in a lot of cases in Canada, and from what I hear the US as well.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 19 Nov 2008 20:40

A Thing of Eternity wrote:(but gods save you if you work for Coca Cola and you try to start a union... seriously bad idea)

Unions aren't very big in Atlanta.

Post by **Omphalos** » 19 Nov 2008 20:54

Your avatar is not showing up, Freak. Did you remove it?

Post by **Freakzilla** » 19 Nov 2008 21:11

Omphalos wrote:Your avatar is not showing up, Freak. Did you remove it?

No, I see it. Maybe it's you?

I need a better one though...

Post by **Freakzilla** » 19 Nov 2008 21:18

<~~~here's my Simon impersonation.

Check out the Ray-Ban Mil-Spec Aviators with bayonette temples.

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 19 Nov 2008 21:18

OH HELL NO !!

Post by **Freakzilla** » 19 Nov 2008 21:22

SandRider wrote:OH HELL NO !!

I've got one of me in my underwear if you don't like that one...

mielikki · Post by **mielikki** » 19 Nov 2008 21:24

Whoa.
Frank-N-Furter cleans up pretty good......

Post by **Freakzilla** » 19 Nov 2008 21:25

mielikki wrote:Whoa.
Frank-N-Furter cleans up pretty good......

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 19 Nov 2008 21:27

Freakzilla wrote:
SandRider wrote:OH HELL NO !!
I've got one of me in my underwear if you don't like that one...

mielikki might likee ....

Post by **Freakzilla** » 19 Nov 2008 21:28

SandRider wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
SandRider wrote:OH HELL NO !!
I've got one of me in my underwear if you don't like that one...
mielikki might likee ....

I think I'll save that one for one night when I'm really lit up.

mielikki · Post by **mielikki** » 19 Nov 2008 21:34

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 19 Nov 2008 23:02

Just light up a stoneburner for us instead, whatsay?

A Thing of Eternity · Post by **A Thing of Eternity** » 20 Nov 2008 00:23

Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:(but gods save you if you work for Coca Cola and you try to start a union... seriously bad idea)
Unions aren't very big in Atlanta.

I take it they're from Atlanta? I was talking about what happens to you if you try go all union on Coke in the developing nations factories/plants. I'd rather not go into it, anyone curious should be able to find out with a quick bit of googling. Not a fantastically moral company.

Drunken Idaho · Post by **Drunken Idaho** » 20 Nov 2008 09:44

Freakzilla wrote:<~~~here's my Simon impersonation.

Check out the Ray-Ban Mil-Spec Aviators with bayonette temples.

Maybe with some more facial hair, and fancy stylistically orangish colouring...

Post by **Freakzilla** » 20 Nov 2008 09:45

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:(but gods save you if you work for Coca Cola and you try to start a union... seriously bad idea)
Unions aren't very big in Atlanta.
I take it they're from Atlanta? I was talking about what happens to you if you try go all union on Coke in the developing nations factories/plants. I'd rather not go into it, anyone curious should be able to find out with a quick bit of googling. Not a fantastically moral company.

Coca-Cola was invented in Columbus, GA and is headquartered in Atlanta.