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Do we need to know more?

A quote from their best work yet:

"These young men were far different from the disciplined Atreides soldiers
he remembered so well. Their unruly fighting style was a far cry from the
military precision of a Great House, but they were still damned good warriors.
This “desert rabble” had overthrown Beast Rabban and ended the rule of House
Harkonnen here on Dune, along with the defeat of Emperor Shaddam Corrino
and his powerful Sardaukar troops."

Hackerson never read Dune ... I swear, he never read it at all.

Fremen children were disciplined to kill the wounded enemies on the battlefield. That is unruly?

Telling, not showing ...

Telling, not showing ...

Telling, not showing ...

Oh, and the last sentence is a run-on. "Along with defeating" would help, although it would still, of course, be a completely shit sentence.

Worst writers ever (assuming, for a moment, that The Other Guy actually writes any of it).

At a chapter in DUNE, where Hawat is talking with a Fremen warrior at a cave, FH give us many hints that the Fremens are not unruly.
Wait, he give us that hint through all the book!

Yes, I think they didn't read the book.

It wasn't in a desert, it was in the open, under/beside a cliff.

Let me know if there;s a Sandworm capture scene. I still won't buy it but, let me know anyway.

orald wrote:It wasn't in a desert, it was in the open, under/beside a cliff.

I didn't said that was in a desert.
However, you are right: it was a cliff not a cave.
(I said the first word that came to my mind, and I didn't remember the word cliff )

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:

orald wrote:It wasn't in a desert, it was in the open, under/beside a cliff.

I didn't said that was in a desert.
However, you are right: it was a cliff not a cave.
(I said the first word that came to my mind, and I didn't remember the word cliff )

The two crouched beneath a rock overhang that looked down on a wide, shallow
sink. Dawn was spreading over the shattered outline of cliffs across the basin,
touching everything with pink.

...

A rain of blue uniforms came over the cliff wall in front of him, falling in
low-suspensor slowness. In the flashing instant, Hawat had time to see that they
were Sardaukar, hard faces set in battle frenzy, that they were unshielded and
each carried a knife in one hand, a stunner in the other.
A thrown knife caught Hawat's Fremen companion in the throat, hurting him
backward, twisting face down. Hawat had only time to draw his own knife before
blackness of a stunner projectile felled him.

Freakzilla wrote:

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:

orald wrote:It wasn't in a desert, it was in the open, under/beside a cliff.

I didn't said that was in a desert.
However, you are right: it was a cliff not a cave.
(I said the first word that came to my mind, and I didn't remember the word cliff )

The two crouched beneath a rock overhang that looked down on a wide, shallow
sink. Dawn was spreading over the shattered outline of cliffs across the basin,
touching everything with pink.

...

A rain of blue uniforms came over the cliff wall in front of him, falling in
low-suspensor slowness. In the flashing instant, Hawat had time to see that they
were Sardaukar, hard faces set in battle frenzy, that they were unshielded and
each carried a knife in one hand, a stunner in the other.
A thrown knife caught Hawat's Fremen companion in the throat, hurting him
backward, twisting face down. Hawat had only time to draw his own knife before
blackness of a stunner projectile felled him.

Very nice quotes, Freak.

I'm searching quotes that directly show that the Fremen aren't unruly. Besides, I don't know how BH&KJA could drop that word to describe the Fremen, they were very well led and commanded by two generations of Kynes in the past.

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:

orald wrote:It wasn't in a desert, it was in the open, under/beside a cliff.

I didn't said that was in a desert.
However, you are right: it was a cliff not a cave.
(I said the first word that came to my mind, and I didn't remember the word cliff )

The two crouched beneath a rock overhang that looked down on a wide, shallow
sink. Dawn was spreading over the shattered outline of cliffs across the basin,
touching everything with pink.

...

A rain of blue uniforms came over the cliff wall in front of him, falling in
low-suspensor slowness. In the flashing instant, Hawat had time to see that they
were Sardaukar, hard faces set in battle frenzy, that they were unshielded and
each carried a knife in one hand, a stunner in the other.
A thrown knife caught Hawat's Fremen companion in the throat, hurting him
backward, twisting face down. Hawat had only time to draw his own knife before
blackness of a stunner projectile felled him.

Very nice quotes, Freak.

I'm searching quotes that directly show that the Fremen aren't unruly. Besides, I don't know how BH&KJA could drop that word to describe the Fremen, they were very well led and commanded by two generations of Kynes in the past.

My quote was a comment on the cliif question, sorry.

As for the "unruly" bit, , the most unruly theg get is spice the orgies.

That last sentence is just appalling. And "unruly" is definitely the wrong word. Schoolboys are unruly. Fighters are undisciplined. Or some other word.

HBJ

Fremen society is extremely disciplined to survive in the desert, requiring a dedicated sense of your personal situation and a tau sense for your tribe.

"unruly" is not the word for Fremen.

Ampoliros wrote:Fremen society is extremely disciplined to survive in the desert, requiring a dedicated sense of your personal situation and a tau sense for your tribe.

"unruly" is not the word for Fremen.

Exactly, that is the point. I Agree.

Oh, my Gawd!
A gold coin to motivate Freeman?!
My favorite...
This isn't a buffet line?!
Ole Dune Pussy sanctions THIS

(Oops. Was I rude by appearing not to respect Byron's "right" to engage in a dialogue without any uncomfortable negativitiy. If you are offended by my post please go fuck yourself. Thank you and please feel free to pm if you have any further concerns or questions.)

I read the first two or three lines and stopped...Teaching the Freemen to swim is just another way to make them look as if they are "savages", like on Caladan, and just "dumbing" another part of the Dune Universe...

FUCKERS...

actually I thought the idea of showing the fremen being acclimatized to water as something that was not "sacred" was a good idea. the last thing you need are Fremen stopping in the middle of a battle in shock because it starts raining, or losing because the enemy takes to the sea.


Unfortunately their execution of that idea was utter garbage.

I think that Gurney shoving a fremen into a pool would be a good way to get knifed. You know, IMHO.

Ampoliros wrote:actually I thought the idea of showing the fremen being acclimatized to water as something that was not "sacred" was a good idea. the last thing you need are Fremen stopping in the middle of a battle in shock because it starts raining, or losing because the enemy takes to the sea.


Unfortunately their execution of that idea was utter garbage.

I think that Gurney shoving a fremen into a pool would be a good way to get knifed. You know, IMHO.

I bet it'd be hard to swim in a stillsuit.

[Sarcasm]Why? Don't the new Super-stillsuits have little hydrogen power packs to power little ski-jet engines and hydrogen bladders for buoyancy and hydrogen lasguns built into the palms? [/sarcasm]






Cause you know, water is made of hydrogen.





In case KJA hadn't told you that yet.
(this is a joke, just more of how KJA would do this if he had .0002 more creativity)

It doesn't get any better, believe me.

Again, my impression of this one is that it doesn't offend so much by canon inconsistencies (although they are there, perhaps mainly as carryovers from the House and other books) as through its sheer uninspired insipidness. The writing is every bit as bad as ever. (Byron's tastes and sensibilities have either been eroded by exposure to this shit or he's just acting as a complete shill now.)

SandChigger wrote:It doesn't get any better, believe me.

Again, my impression of this one is that it doesn't offend so much by canon inconsistencies (although they are there, perhaps mainly as carryovers from the House and other books) as through its sheer uninspired insipidness. The writing is every bit as bad as ever. (Byron's tastes and sensibilities have either been eroded by exposure to this shit or he's just acting as a complete shill now.)

- Do you like this new book,Byron? YES,MAN !!

- Is KJA the Puppet Master of the HLP, Byron? YES,MAN !!

- Is your childish board about to close, Byron? YES,MAN !!

Serkanner wrote:Do we need to know more?

A quote from their best work yet:

"These young men were far different from the disciplined Atreides soldiers
he remembered so well. Their unruly fighting style was a far cry from the
military precision of a Great House, but they were still damned good warriors.
This “desert rabble” had overthrown Beast Rabban and ended the rule of House
Harkonnen here on Dune, along with the defeat of Emperor Shaddam Corrino
and his powerful Sardaukar troops."

Is it just me or do these statements contradict each other? Surely if the Fremen were unruly, then they would not have been able to have taken down the Sardaukar?

muppets. fucking muppets. someone should buy those two a copy of the original Dune, as they clearly haven't read it.

Way to call the most disciplined group of human beings in the galaxy (maybe second, next to the BG) unruly. Yup, they have a way with words.

Who wants to bet that the Caladanian "primitives" are also remnants of the Fremen migration?

I just hope they aren't 'unruly'.


...I had just posted this when my brain made a disturbing connection. I was coming out of my KJA-tau

this is a line of thought in the KJA style. The break is the (most obvious) point where this becomes obviously wrong

Caladanian Primiatives----->Fremen migrations-----//-----Muadru------>PAUL IS A DECENDANT OF THE MUADRU!!!!!!


obviously the new books are meant to tell us that the BG are full of shit, it was the Muadru all along

Some of the Caladanian primitives are descendent of Harkonnen (Pier?, in th first short story.)
So expect some connection with that and Paul...here Paul will be hintered about his true ascendency

Ampoliros wrote:Who wants to bet that the Caladanian "primitives" are also remnants of the Fremen migration?

I just hope they aren't 'unruly'.


...I had just posted this when my brain made a disturbing connection. I was coming out of my KJA-tau

this is a line of thought in the KJA style. The break is the (most obvious) point where this becomes obviously wrong

Caladanian Primiatives----->Fremen migrations-----//-----Muadru------>PAUL IS A DECENDANT OF THE MUADRU!!!!!!


obviously the new books are meant to tell us that the BG are full of shit, it was the Muadru all along

Since Norma seems to be the All Mighty Hero of the KJA universe, i would rather think that Paul is her descendant, since Leto II said he had lived her (in the canon books), i don't see why they would not use that...

But i think Norma IS A DECENDANT OF THE MUADRU!!!!!!