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I never really had any religion growing up, though out of obligation to some family I still celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, and Passover. I went to temple twice a year but it never did anything for me... actually, I kinda wish I had some religious backing because now there's just the disconnect with anyone who does have those beliefs. It makes it harder to understand and relate to some people when one just doesn't care at all about those institutions.

Oh well. At least I can try to piss off my friend who is going to school to become a minister

If Jesus loves everyone, does it make him "bi"...and pro polygamy?

I looooooove Jesus then!

I'm trying to find who it was that he was friends with. Some famous atheist author...

Ummm.. JRR Tolkien?
EDIT: Nevermind I though he was an athiest. My bad.

Pardot Kynes wrote:I'm trying to find who it was that he was friends with. Some famous atheist author...

One of the other Inklings?

Pardot Kynes wrote:

Mandy wrote:Was C.S. Lewis raised religious? If his parents were religious and then he grew up and decided he was atheist.. then later changed his mind that makes much more sense.

Pard.. Philip Pullman was about 17 when C.S. Lewis died, I don't think they were ever tight. His Dark Materials is kind of the anti-Chronicles of Narnia though.

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else then.

Pullman did call the Narnia books racist and sexist, among other things. You can read this old article about it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/jun/0 ... stival2002

Meh, if I were still in contact with those LoTR loons here in Israel I'd know who it was.
There're some really bored people who've not only learned much about Tolkien's bio', but also on C.S Lewis'.

There is a lot of stuff on the internet about Pullman hating C.S. Lewis, and The Chronicles of Narnia. I haven't been able to find anything else.. but I haven't bothered to really search, because there's so much about the books and movies that the information is buried.

orald wrote:Meh, if I were still in contact with those LoTR loons here in Israel I'd know who it was.
There're some really bored people who've not only learned much about Tolkien's bio', but also on C.S Lewis'.

I'm a LOTR loon, but I don't really see how CS lewis and Tolkien are related

They were really good buddies, Tolkien supposedly used Lewis as inspiration for Treebeard's voice, Tolkien converted Lewis to Christianty (for some reason I've always thought that JRR was an Athiest, joke's on me I guess) , I believe they both taught similar lingistics classes at the same school. That's what I know about them being related off the top of my head.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:They were really good buddies, Tolkien supposedly used Lewis as inspiration for Treebeard's voice, Tolkien converted Lewis to Christianty (for some reason I've always thought that JRR was an Athiest, joke's on me I guess) , I believe they both taught similar lingistics classes at the same school. That's what I know about them being related off the top of my head.

They were in the Inklings together.

Ya, but that's all speculation on the writing side... they aren't really linked in that aspect.

From what, admittedly little, I know Tolkien also put some christianity into his works. He thought of Lewis's writing as over-zealous though. Converts always are.

The whole ultimate good vs ultimate evil thing was solid christian background

Pardot Kynes wrote:The whole ultimate good vs ultimate evil thing was solid christian background

Aragorn was also a christ figure and look at the title of the third part, "Return of the King."

Rob

Tolkien was actually against that title. He felt that it gave away the ending. Kinda did.
Yes, he is pretty jebus-esque.

Pardot Kynes wrote:

orald wrote:Meh, if I were still in contact with those LoTR loons here in Israel I'd know who it was.
There're some really bored people who've not only learned much about Tolkien's bio', but also on C.S Lewis'.

I'm a LOTR loon, but I don't really see how CS lewis and Tolkien are related

You're obviously not much of a loon then(well, not LoTR loon ).
I'm not talking about liking the books alone and discussing them on a board, I'm talking about people who're probably qualified to make a biography on Tolkien.
BTW, one of the main loons is also a BwB member, I saw his pic on the BwB site(Tal).

I remember that Tolkien objected more to the overflowing Christinity in the Narnia series as compared with his much more subtle LoTR, not really the "overzealous" part(Tolkien was quite the zealous prick himself BTW).

Sorry, that's what I meant. Over-zealousness in the over the top christianity in the narnia books. Bad wording. I'm sad now that I know JRR was a christian. Oh well.

Not only Christian, but a devout Roman-Catholic.

He also made his wife change from Anglican(?) when they married.

Not such a big change, eh?

Well, if you mean from one lame type of Christian to another then yea, though catholics seem to have it harsher.

But I have to mention that Tolkien and his wife had a very romantic relationship, and I think I made him look like a careless jerk by mentioning the convertion of his wife.

Bump.

I just saw all but the first half hour or so of this. (Hadn't seen it, wasn't anything else on.) Who else has seen it?

There's a scene that is REALLY REMINISCENT of something in McDune: when they knock out the underground supports and collapse part of the battlefield leading up to Aslan's How. I've never read any of the the Narnia books, so I don't know if this is in the original, but it is too damned similar to where the Moritanis collapse the seabed battlefield on Grumman in one of the Young Paul flashbacks for it to be a complete coincidence.

So does this mean KJA stole from Narnia?

Anyone know of the use of this tactic in any other fictional works? (I'm assuming it has never been used in actual history.)

I don't believe in coincidence when it comes to the possibility of KJA having lifted something from another work.

For a second there I thought Orald was back! I'd put my money on KJA not having an original thought.

There's no evidence it's actually ever happened; I'd say that's a safe bet.

I've seen the movie, haven't read the books (yet).

But I've seen something similar used in Lion King 1 & 1/2. (The meerkats dug tunnels beneath the 'battle field' and then caused a collaspe which captured most of the hyenas and drove off the remainder)

And if we look at some of the older movies, I'm sure we could find examples of similar situations occuring.