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First read the Dune series in 92 when in junior high after a teacher recomended them. Re-read them many times as a kid.
I hated the Lynch Dune movie.
Read the prequal House series when it came out, thought they weren't that great but interesting story for someone who craved new Dune stories.
Loved the Sci-fi Dune and Children of Dune minis, sad they didn't do God Emperor.
When I was in Iraq I started reading the Butlerian Jyhad book but never finished.
Never read the last two Dune books.
Started re-reading the series now from start to finish, and I'm almost done with The Machien Crusade.
Seems a lot of you guys hate the books, which I understand why, but I just love having new material to read even though its not remotely as deep as the originals. Anyways this site looks deep, don't even know where to start, lol.

Hey dude, welcome to the forums!

Welcome Welcome!

Honesty is the best policy. If you got enjoyment out of the new books then more power to you. If you can understand and appreciate why we deconstruct them so forcefully, then you'll get along fine here. That being said there is plenty of discussion here for both series, so feel free to join or ignore any discussion, although the nudune threads do tend to be more like live-fire exercises...

No worries, I understand 100% why a lot of people dislike them. In a weird way I read them because I am a Dune fan, but I don't really consider them "Dune" books. Honestly though I haven't read the Hereos series yet or the final two books.

To me the originals are very deep, and my favorite books ever that I recomend to people, but I haven't read them in years. The newer ones seems more like, I dunno, and sci fi television show.

I collect harcover books, and I had a goal to re-read all of Stephen King's, Anne Rice, and Cliver Barker's books, so anything different is refreshing now, lol.

What's the general opinion of the Sci Fi mini series on here?

I don't understand why you would read that shit when you've still got two of Frank's books left. Anyway, welcome.

I meant the Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune.

zacher2005 wrote:I meant the Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune.

Got it. You'd do well to stay away from those. They can really angry up the blood.

Achlan wasachlan! Welcome, doubly welcome!

I liked the Lynch movie for pretty much the same reason you like the McDunes: it was DUNE on the big screen. I'll still watch it if it's on, just for shits-n-giggles.

I like the Children mini much better than the Dune one, even though my satellite channels over here seem capable only of reshowing the first. (Was on again recently... it's like six or seven years now they've been showing it. )

Got any military scifi favorites you can recommend?

welcome twice welcome

same here, if you crave more Dune read the real ones you haven't read yet.

Mcdune is only for the interest of research in stupid. I am a fast reader and because of that the more complex the book the more readings I require to catch the things I missed.

So to compare, every time I read any of Frank's Dune I find something new.
I read some mcdune, the house series and whatever the poor mockery of the arc of the story up to sadworms(which was truly horrendous, but my pet hate is the shytemeks really. Now that was just utter crap), then I found the Cast Out and I felt better knowing I was not alone.

So indeed the best thing you can do is erase your memories of the hack's drivel and just concentrate on what's of real value.

SandChigger wrote:Achlan wasachlan! Welcome, doubly welcome!

I liked the Lynch movie for pretty much the same reason you like the McDunes: it was DUNE on the big screen. I'll still watch it if it's on, just for shits-n-giggles.

I like the Children mini much better than the Dune one, even though my satellite channels over here seem capable only of reshowing the first. (Was on again recently... it's like six or seven years now they've been showing it. )

Got any military scifi favorites you can recommend?

Honestly I am not a big Sci Fi fan, mainly a Horror fan, Dune was the only Sci Fi series I like but to me it is much more than Sci - Fi (The originals not the new ones), so I can't really recomend military sci fi, but I can recomend some great horror series.

I recently rewatched both minis when I was sick and I agree COD was the better of the two. Any word why they never did GEOD?

The Lynch one hurt me to watch because I had to beg my dad to rent it after I first read Dune.

Because I think that like Avatar, a filmed version of GEOD would make people want to kill themselves.


But not for the same reasons.

Welcome.

I've exposed myself to many of the McDune books because I really wanted more, but in every case, I was only able to get a little bit into the book before I had to stop because the writing was so hokey, the characters were unrecognizable apart from some of them having the same names, and most of the shit is just boring. Frank Herbert's Dune is full of so many great ideas, and this is just some Star Wars shit. And then Paul of Dune actually offended me, it was such a betrayal of everything that was good about original Dune.

I didn't have anywhere to focus my contempt for the guys who wrote this new, hackneyed bullshit until I found this website about a year ago. I knew that it had to be the case that there were a lot of people that hated the new shit, because it's fucking terrible, and I was pleased to discover that there was actually a movement dedicated to protesting this crap.

Welcome. The shit is bad.

Hello

I was also just happy to have more Dune to read at first. Just a little bit sad that it was so obviously not in line with the original themes and motifs. But I was forgiving up until the Dune 7s where I wanted to throw the books across the room. (And that was during the preface.)

For me they fail on various levels:

Style. Forgivable because there probably aren't many people in the world who could emulate Frank. Though they claim to be able to but... don't want to?

General writing quality. Eh... they really should have gotten a better qualified writer on the job. Maybe someone who actually writes?

Arrogance and carelessness with their treatment of Frank Herbert's masterpiece. Unforgivable. It deserves a lot more respect.

Offensive treatment of Frank's fans. Absolutely unforgivable.

Welcome Home!

I have been a DUNE fan since 1983 and have reread them numerous times. Like many others I was excited when a "new" Dune book was published. Throughout the House series I thought it would become better over time ... but it didn't. The writing, story-arcs, plot line etcetera became worse every book. I managed to get through the legends series, but only by sheer force of the mind. The two hack writers published some of the chapters of Dune 7 on their website. When I read that I became physically ill and had to promise myself to never ever read one of these atrocities any more. I am afraid they will cause permanent brain damage.

Welcome!

The new books are good (maybe?) as just a mindless entertainment set in the Dune universe. REAL Dune is great for stimulating the mind. They can probably be enjoyed separately, but I don't think anyone can seriously think them of equal quality or worth.

Someone content to enjoy Nu-Dune on it's own merits is something we encounter from time to time.

Me, I can't stand the needless repetition of trivia, tedious predictable plotting and idiot characters.... And that's all before it tramples over FH's garden of delight.

But (despite how it looks sometimes) this a FH fan site - not a KJA hate site. Welcome aboard

Tleszer wrote:Welcome!

The new books are good (maybe?) as just a mindless entertainment set in the Dune universe. REAL Dune is great for stimulating the mind. They can probably be enjoyed separately, but I don't think anyone can seriously think them of equal quality or worth.

Pretty much summed up my opinion right here.

Welcome Zach, I think you'll do fine here. Take care and hope to here more from you.

Welcome!

Baraka Bryan wrote:welcome!

may I suggest that once you've read thru prequels and the original series (dont bother with the inter-quels) read sadworms and grunters. at that point, you'll understand why we hate all of their books so much. the house books are bad but bearable if only for the mild entertainment value. the jihad books are shit, but since they're so far removed from Dune, you probably get entertainment and can mentally separate them. once you read those last 2, you'll see how they've butt-fucked Frank's corpse and will spew the same vitriol for them that we do here from time to time

What has been their general responce to critgues of the last two books?

"You're just a hater."

Or their usual oral flatulence, when anything at all.

"You're just one of these people who hates writers that are too prolific."

"Gosh darn it to heck! He's Frank's son!"

"But they made Messiah finally make some sense...

Gosh darn it to heck!"