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Mrs Freak: "Hey! What are you doing with the kids' socks?"




(Unfront, I'll look for those scenes and post the fun bits if no one beats me to it. )

Unfront wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that the HLP plans on releasing separate books in the future where all of Paul’s *childhood* is in one book, and all of the post jihad Paul is in another

Oh dear, I really hope you don't have something there.

SandChigger wrote:Mrs Freak: "Hey! What are you doing with the kids' socks?"

Now that's just gross. I'd smoke her socks.

Unfront wrote: I am in the middle of reading Chapterhouse and I was not looking forward to breaking away and trolling through ill wind to find it...who knows what else I would have found along the way...that shit sticks to everything.

no, no, no ..... there is no reason to flip thru pages of McDune to find a quote;
I can provide you with links to downloadable .pdfs of all of Spanky's Masterpieces;
send me a PM if you (or anybody else) wants them ....

The two scenes in question are in Part II of Paul of Dune, the first "Young Paul" section (page numbers for US hardcover; with the PDFs just search for "On his bed, reeking" and "On the day of the wedding, Castle Caladan"):

SC on HToD wrote:Ch. 26 (p.141) On Grumman, Moritani’s ailing son Wolfram dies, deprived by Ecazi embargo of the drug he needed, esoit-poay. Moritani kills doctor and Ecazi smugglers.

Ch. 30 (p.156) Leto-Ilesa wedding massacre! Blenderiscious! Love them flying sawblades! Ecaz loses an arm, Dinari becomes hamburger, Ilesa gets her throat ripped out. (At 6.5 pp of real text, this is one of the longer “chapters” in the book. They do love their gore, huh?) Rhombur SMASH!

(PoD "chap-by-chap")


Hey... when did Kill Bill come out, with the wedding massacre scene?

SandChigger wrote:Hey... when did Kill Bill come out, with the wedding massacre scene?

That was the second movie, right? That was 2004.

ON the Sandworms tour (in 2007, they were hyping up Paul of Dune), so Keith must have just received his copy of Kill Bill from Netflix or something.

Hey Keith, DUNE needs to be groundbreaking in its imaginative content. To paraphrase other sci fi to pad the content of your stories is just plain plagiarism! F

Unfront wrote:To paraphrase other sci fi to pad the content of your stories is just plain plagiarism! F

I really like the grades you're assigning at the end of your comments.

SandChigger wrote:

Unfront wrote:To paraphrase other sci fi to pad the content of your stories is just plain plagiarism! F

I really like the grades you're assigning at the end of your comments.

Yeah, but you don't get an F for plagiarism, you get expelled. Right?

Freakzilla wrote:

SandChigger wrote:

Unfront wrote:To paraphrase other sci fi to pad the content of your stories is just plain plagiarism! F

I really like the grades you're assigning at the end of your comments.

Yeah, but you don't get an F for plagiarism, you get expelled. Right?

I was ...

Serkanner wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:

SandChigger wrote:

Unfront wrote:To paraphrase other sci fi to pad the content of your stories is just plain plagiarism! F

I really like the grades you're assigning at the end of your comments.

Yeah, but you don't get an F for plagiarism, you get expelled. Right?

I was ...

The way things are in the U.S. now, kids barely get reprimanded for it anymore. I tried to fail a college student once for plagiarizing a paper and was met with a great deal of administrative pressure. They just want to make money.

Luckily, the bastard failed all on his own anyway.

Nekhrun wrote:

Serkanner wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:

SandChigger wrote:

Unfront wrote:To paraphrase other sci fi to pad the content of your stories is just plain plagiarism! F

I really like the grades you're assigning at the end of your comments.

Yeah, but you don't get an F for plagiarism, you get expelled. Right?

I was ...

The way things are in the U.S. now, kids barely get reprimanded for it anymore. I tried to fail a college student once for plagiarizing a paper and was met with a great deal of administrative pressure. They just want to make money.

Luckily, the bastard failed all on his own anyway.

Fortunately for me I was allowed back after two weeks and did manage to finish high school. After that incident I never cheated on any paper or exam any more.

It's ridiculously easy to tell when my students have pinched something. Even the best masters student I've ever had for composition still had the occasional problem with articles, verb aspect, or register (using more formal, academic language in their thesis, etc).

Unless the entirety of a composition has been plagiarized, I generally take the approach, "Oh, I think you forgot to put this part in quotes and tell me who said or wrote it." That plus a reminder about how bad plagiarism is ("It's stealing and lying!") is usually enough to get them to stop.

Usually. A few years back we had this student who was auditing a few classes in preparation for taking the graduate school entrance exam and they (Don't you just love gender-neutral singular they?! ) wanted to sit in on my grad comp class. Their first composition was hideous, the English worse even than that of my least capable undergrads; by the time we were finished going over it, the paper was nothing but red ink. The next week what they gave me was shorter in length, but the English was almost perfect. The week after that, it was perfect. So I did a spiel on The Evils of Plagiarism, somewhat to the confusion of the other students, and made sure everyone got the point. The next week, the student in question again gave me another completely lifted text, so I switched to Plan B: Public Humiliation. I went through the text and emphasized how well-written various parts were, and ended by asking the student, "Did you really write this?" When they lied and said yes, and wouldn't back down, I said, "Well, that's great! The last things you've given me have been in perfect, native-level English, and really well-written, so I don't think there's any need for you to come back next week. You should probably spend your time auditing another class or studying for the exam some other way!" The next week, they gave me something they'd really written, and we started working on their language problems.

(The student ultimately wasn't accepted into our department, but they did succeed in entering another, related one. Fortunately, they never came back to take any of my classes for credit. The department that accepted them is one that I particularly dislike, so things worked out great for everyone. )

It is unfortunate that we cannot expel Brian and Kevin for their creative plagiarism; however, we can take some form of solace that the publishers did in fact pull the plug (I just love saying that) on the rest of the series.

As an aside: Literally speaking, whenever I am in the need to pull the plug on something, I enjoy taking a full grasp of the power cord so that I may rip the plug right out of its socket with heavy torque. I get a bit of a rush out of it. I only hope the publishers felt the same way when the pulled the plug on Throne and Leto.

Hmmm, now that I'm talking about it, has Byron deMerit made any attempt to claim that this was a scheduled cancellation yet? (I only ask because they tried to say that the change to winds of Dune was, "a scheduled name change from Jessica to Jessica to the Winds of Dune."

SandChigger wrote:It's ridiculously easy to tell when my students have pinched something. Even the best masters student I've ever had for composition still had the occasional problem with articles, verb aspect, or register (using more formal, academic language in their thesis, etc).

Unless the entirety of a composition has been plagiarized, I generally take the approach, "Oh, I think you forgot to put this part in quotes and tell me who said or wrote it." That plus a reminder about how bad plagiarism is ("It's stealing and lying!") is usually enough to get them to stop.

Instead of writing comments I just like to put the links to where they stole the text.

We should do that with kja writing. Every time he pulls his normal derivative shit we should just post the quote and immediately tag it with whatever shit movie it came from.

Interesting that there's such a significant "professorial" element here. Makes me even more paranoid about my writing style (despite this being merely "casual forum posting"), which I suppose is a good thing.

Since my wife went back to school a year and a half ago, I've been thinking a lot about whether a degree might be in my future; after high school I went straight to running my own business, years before I got sick and became disabled. Never went to college. At the time I thought I was pretty damn smart, until I got sick and couldn't keep up with the demands of running a business (or virtually any other jobs for that matter). Now, even though going to school on a fixed schedule is something I'm not likely to be able to pull off any time soon....the idea of getting at least some further education has been on my mind a lot. Particularly when it comes to writing/composition and some aspects of science that I've self-educated myself about for decades but haven't challenged myself to excel at in a formalized environment.

Maybe it's just daydreaming. But if I were to be able to produce a creative project like my planned sci-fi series within the severe limits of my disabilities, then perhaps I'll be able to pull off at least some amount of college-level schooling as well. Being able to back up my storylines with "I got a 4.0 in several advanced quantum physics/cosmology/biology/chemistry/med-sci classes" rather than just "I spend a shitload of time on Wikipedia/Slashdot/et al and reading scientific papers, take my word for it, I'm a smartypants!" would be nice.....

I'm on the 20-year degree plan myself, I'll take a class or two or three a year, and maybe they'll eventually add up to a degree!

Shaitan: It is never too late to further one's education. I joined the Army after highschool and thougt I'd had enough schooling. I thought I was just too smart already. Boy was I wrong. After the army I decided to put my GI Bill to use obtained a degree. Though I am not employed in my degree field, I do benefit from the experience greatly.

Speaking of benefiting from the experieince...I think Brian and Keith need to attend a community college creative writing course. It might improve the immanginative content of their writing.

Best of luck to you.

Unfront wrote:Speaking of benefiting from the experieince...I think Brian and Keith need to attend a community college creative writing course. It might improve the immanginative content of their writing.

I'm tickled by the idea of someone suggesting to Keith that he attend a community college course on creative writing. This is the guy who was a panelist on the self-styled "superstars" writing seminar. I doubt there are many people on Earth who would be less willing to believe anyone else could teach them something about writing.

HBJ

Remedial Creative Writing 99

Audit

Ok, here is another prediction for the Great Schools series and it realates to time travel to boot.

Somewhere in there, a guild navigator, or a student at the Spacing Guild School will be practicing his/hers/its preciant abilities, when said navigator envisions a future ruler being transported on a guild highliner to join the circus with his friend.

I am taking out a second mortgage on my house and placing bets on that one.

What would we call that... backshadowing?

Ass-backwards foreshadowing?


I'll pop it on the summary page in a bit; shukran!

Afwan!

"Houston, we have liftoff."

SandChigger wrote:Ass-backwards foreshadowing?

is that the politically correct way to say "fart" ?