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Ok, since the clock is slowly counting down to the next installment of nuDune, it is time that we brace ourselves and prepare for what is to come - more stories about Guilt Casting from the dynamic literary powerhause that is: Keith and Brian. I have decided to throw together this quick pole in order to gage, from the audience's prospective, how much Guilt Casting is going to appear in the next book. Please vote and share your thoughts.

I vote none, because it's been so long since they wrote Winds, they'll have forgotten all about it. Let's face it, they probably forgot all about it two days after they used it as a plot device.

HBJ

I voted none, for the same reason as HBJ rather than the reason in the poll. KJABH don't change things because they're wrong - if they heard the complaints that just means they're more likely to put it into the new book so that they can explain just how awesome it really is and ram it down the throats of the so-called talifan.

I'm not so sure that they've forgotten about it...

The hacks love seeding future plotlines in previous books - eg: in the Hunters it is mentioned that Fenring stabbed Paul, then one-book-later in Paul of Dune... Paul gets stabbed by Fenring!

Well, since TwisterShood will be UNGODLY THOUSAND GAZILLIONS of years before Winds, if guilt-casting appears at all, it will be completely separate from the later BG technique and will be completely forgotten by the end of the Great Stools series. (Never mind that that forgetting shit shit won't play with the "Memories 'R' Us" BG girls, if KJA writes it, THEY [the McDuners] will believe!)

I like Twisterhood .... fits what they're doing .... and from Keith's twits, this thing's in the bag ....
so still a 2012 release date or whenever ? if they're waiting for a movie tie-in, Keith could churn out
another ten or twelve episodes before then ....

SandChigger wrote:TwisterShood

A reference to psychic tornadoes, perhaps?

HBJ

I had to actually Google "Guilt Casting" to know what it was. Knowing them and their love of detail, they've probably completely forgotten its existence. Hopefully that means Attack of the Gholas as well.

Again, I think we're mixing periods here a bit. "Attack of the Glonolas" was to be a ThunderThrone/inter-Messiah/Children arc.

Of course, that doesn't mean they can't also "No, this is Richesean, a DIFFERENT kind of no-tech" a clone army, like I pointed out for guilt-casting above. (sigh)

Maybe someone from Lucasfilm read Winds and sicc'd the lawyers on the HLP. That could explain the 'delay' in the rest of that pos series and the switch to the Great Schools.

I mean does anyone here buy Kevin J "Writing by Numbers"Anderson switching focus in the middle of a series? He writes what, 3 or 4 books at a time and we are supposed to believe that he just got tired of writing in one part of the Duneiverse?

BS

What the Fuck?

Like Kojiro, I had to Google this term.

It sounds like something out of very early D&D fer Gods' sake.

I wish I hadn't Googled the bloody term now - got taken to a preeq page which mentions the Duchess Jessica Atreides, among other incomprehensibles.

I'm going to have to sit in the corner and recover, now.

Unfront wrote:I have decided to throw together this quick pole in order to gage, from the audience's prospective, how much Guilt Casting is going to appear in the next book.

Emphasis mine.

The word you're looking for is "poll." However, I can understand your confusion as "quick pole" often comes to mind when discussing Brian and Kevin.

Well... if we're going to be THAT picky...

Unfront wrote:I have decided to throw together this quick pole in order to gage, from the audience's prospective, how much Guilt Casting is going to appear in the next book.

Overemphasis mine.

Even though "gage" is listed as an acceptable variant spelling of "gauge", I'd like to think that you were somehow affected subconsciously while typing by the word "gag", since that also comes to mind when discussing McDune!

Edit:

And you know, now that I think about it, that should also be "perspective" there, shouldn't it?

Unfront! I think I'm in love with you. In some sort of inappropriate, largely sick teacher-student relationshipy kind of way... if you know what I mean...

sloey ?

Yeah, I know my spelling can be a bit wonky at times. Most of the time, I have to whip out my posts quickly while I have the time. I do not get to sit down and proof read my posts. Thank you for pointing out "quick pole" - it must have been from my subconscious, because the the story and the fans have been violated for over a decade now.

Don't worry about it. (But don't let it get much worse, either! ) There are some people here (and yes, I will name names if those monthy payoff checks get any later than they already are! ) who are actually much worse.

And remember: if we disliked you we'd be really vicious.

Ok, I will try to keep it together as I do believe that we need to set an example to the preq's what real writing actually looks like. (See what reading these freakquels does to the intelligence of the average reader?)

Anyway, regarding guilt casting: I thought the idea of emotion control was cool when Asimov dealt with it in Foundation; however, when this guilt casting thing came up in From Jessica to a Bad Wind of Nudune, I almost fell out of my chair. This was an obvious rip-off from the Mule (character in the Foundation series).

I do believe Frank Herbert took some inspiration from Foundation as the series came out years before the original Dune, (Reverend Fathers are mentioned, the idea of a Galactic empire - complete with an emperor etc.); however, I do not see the original Dune as a rip-off of Foundation. I do see neu-dune as a rip off of many MANY science fiction constructs, many of which are not even found in the original - guilt casting is chief among them.

One more thning....do not fret sports fans, there will be a scheduled name change from Sisterhood to Sisterhood to the Guilt Casters of Dune!

the "sloey? {is that you?} remark was spurred with the three misuses in one sentence,
altho sloey's syntax errors tended to be more letter omissions or inversions ...



also:
there is a poll option missing - None, because Keith never re-reads anything he's written, certainly not anything he's
published, and there have been atleast >9000 new awesome! ideas since Guilt Casting; he's forgotten about it,
Brian Pherbert never understood it in the first place; Becky just runs the text files thru a few different spelcheks,
(one of them is actually called "Red Pen", so Keith is being honest when twitting "Manuscript being edited by Rebecca's
red pen) and no-one at Hor/Gorge ever reads his bullshit, anyway ...

Twisterhood will be all about UltraVoice .... and history of the development of "Voice", using a device that will not
be a wierding module in any way, except that it's an exact duplication of a wierding module ....when the first Reverend
Mother produces the effects of Voice without the device, an acolyte standing in the back of the crowd will murmur:
"Sister Xltuza no longer requires the {tehKJA twitter-poll word} device !"

Nope, not slowey.... (at least I hope I'm not that 'slow')

You raise an interesting argument right there, as in that he is so full of nu and wonderful ideas that the next book will be flush with even more lame ideas. This does fit into his mo, each nu book is worse than the last one.

Actually, the Voice was a secondary development, the original form of which was modulated Queef. But we know neither KJA or BoBo will touch that!

You know what's weird? The last book I read had a super-minor character named Sloey (A Feast for Crows).

orald would have known that. I haven't read the books (have them, though).

Hope he's alive and just sick of us.

Any explanation from the founding of the Sisterhood would have to work in why no one has used it in the intervening years only to re-discover and then abandon the technique again. A difficult thing for Reverend Mothers to pull off. At this point, pretending it never happened is probably a better way to go because any explanation will be horrible.

Actually, that's another, really good point against its introduction in Winds, where it's presented as something developed relatively (or relativistically? snicker) recently, that Jessica had only heard rumors of: Why did it take the BG more than ten thousand years to come up with it?

And the "BG never forget!" point is the killer objection to the "bimbombs" of the Legends books.