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Byron's Own Words
Posted: 24 Jul 2010 08:23
by Mr. Teg
For those of you still clinning to the fence by a fingernail regarding Ol'Dune Pussy, here is a recent quote from dumbnovels concerning the fate of the Sardaukar in God Emperor of Dune:
Schu's Post...
Frank didn't tend to dwell on battles and such. Not unless they were important to the plot or big picture or tone. I can't see the annihilation of the Sardaukar being terribly important in the big picture.
Byron's response...
I found it a bit sad, though, that the Corrinos and their elite fighters kind of ended in a fizzle rather than a bang. I would've hoped for a more active struggle. But, alas, we've got what we've got.
Sound familiar?
Can there be any doubt he actually likes the Pinky and Brain approach to Dune?
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 24 Jul 2010 08:55
by lotek
now does he like it for what it is or for what he gets from it?
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 24 Jul 2010 09:39
by Freakzilla
I doubt you'll find out since he won't admit reading it.
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 24 Jul 2010 10:54
by merkin muffley
He also said he wanted to know more about Gurney Halleck, and to me KJA and BH's bastardization of Gurney Halleck is one of their worst offenses. But they debase all the characters they work with. They should just stay away from it all together.
Also, I feel like I know quite a bit about Gurney by the end of Children of Dune. I know that FH's Gurney definitely didn't have the background KJA and BH gave him.
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 24 Jul 2010 11:49
by TheDukester
The "wanting to know more" thing is the sickness at the root of all EU nonsense, both in the McDune-iverse and elsewhere.
The problem being that no one ever gets to "know more." There isn't a "more." There's just officially licensed fanfic.
Intelligent people grasp this intuitively; sadly, SF/F fandom is not exactly bursting with this sort of person. More typical is the "read anything with the correct logo" reader and the obsessive completist.
Continuing with Gurney as an example, none of us will ever "know more" about him, short of Frank's notes being released by the HLP. And even then, those would just be notes. Unpublished. Lacking context. But they'd still be 1,000 times more official than anything Spanky and Bobo have ever written; they're just two idiots working at the McDune Factory, cranking out an annual piece of fanfic for a paycheck.
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 24 Jul 2010 17:59
by Mr. Teg
lotek wrote:now does he like it for what it is or for what he gets from it?
I think it's now apparent he definitely likes it for what it is or you can say he definitely doesn't not like the mcdune approach.
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 24 Jul 2010 18:21
by lotek
enough with the double negatives already
I read bits of my new Dune Encyclopedia, and I did find some stuff that was a bit off the mark but it still conveys a general feeling of respect for the original.
To claim the DE was to be ignored so it wouldn't confuse the two idiots is bollocks... it would have been a good example of what to do if you were to mess around with canon.
There are other ways than barging in and trying to force the big round shape in the big square hole!
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 25 Jul 2010 11:35
by MrFlibble
lotek wrote:I read bits of my new Dune Encyclopedia, and I did find some stuff that was a bit off the mark but it still conveys a general feeling of respect for the original.
I suppose that HLP logic here is that, since BH is FH's son, respect for the original is kinda redundant...
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 25 Jul 2010 11:58
by DuneFishUK
MrFlibble wrote:lotek wrote:I read bits of my new Dune Encyclopedia, and I did find some stuff that was a bit off the mark but it still conveys a general feeling of respect for the original.
I suppose that HLP logic here is that, since BH is FH's son, respect for the original is kinda redundant...
But, but, but they own the copyright!
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 25 Jul 2010 12:09
by Freakzilla
DuneFishUK wrote:MrFlibble wrote:lotek wrote:I read bits of my new Dune Encyclopedia, and I did find some stuff that was a bit off the mark but it still conveys a general feeling of respect for the original.
I suppose that HLP logic here is that, since BH is FH's son, respect for the original is kinda redundant...
But, but, but they own the copyright!
Which to them equates to adequate research and consistency with the originals.
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 26 Jul 2010 05:14
by MrFlibble
Freakzilla wrote:Which to them equates to adequate research and consistency with the originals.
Rather, the attitude is, "if the new books are inconsistent with the originals, the worse for the originals!" Way to go, guys!
BTW, judging by the recent posts in a Russian Dune forum I sometimes visit, this very attitude offended people who were initially more tolerant of the McDune books, viewing them as a "nice read, even though not on par with the originals". People also note the new books are boring and repetitive, and some have been very disappointed with the suspension of the "Heroes" series as well. BH and KJA seem to be losing their ground at a fast pace...
[Edit] After reading SandChigger's blog I realized that I made a mistake calling the "inquels" "the "Heroes" series", for which I apologize. I should have said "the "Heroes" books that are absolutely not tied into any sequence whatsoever, and are completely standalone works of nearly polished prose". Sorry for any misunderstandings that could have arisen because of my careless choice of words! I repeat,
there is no such thing as "the "Heroes" series" (unless the expression is used to refer to the
Heroes of Might and Magic game series, that is).
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 26 Jul 2010 11:35
by merkin muffley
MrFlibble wrote:Freakzilla wrote:Which to them equates to adequate research and consistency with the originals.
Rather, the attitude is, "if the new books are inconsistent with the originals, the worse for the originals!"
Princess Irulan in Paul of Dune wrote:
FUCK the originals.
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 26 Jul 2010 13:35
by Superdog
MrFlibble wrote:Freakzilla wrote:Which to them equates to adequate research and consistency with the originals.
Rather, the attitude is, "if the new books are inconsistent with the originals, the worse for the originals!" Way to go, guys!
BTW, judging by the recent posts in a Russian Dune forum I sometimes visit, this very attitude offended people who were initially more tolerant of the McDune books, viewing them as a "nice read, even though not on par with the originals". People also note the new books are boring and repetitive, and some have been very disappointed with the suspension of the "Heroes" series as well. BH and KJA seem to be losing their ground at a fast pace...
[Edit] After reading SandChigger's blog I realized that I made a mistake calling the "inquels" "the "Heroes" series", for which I apologize. I should have said "the "Heroes" books that are absolutely not tied into any sequence whatsoever, and are completely standalone works of nearly polished prose". Sorry for any misunderstandings that could have arisen because of my careless choice of words! I repeat,
there is no such thing as "the "Heroes" series" (unless the expression is used to refer to the
Heroes of Might and Magic game series, that is).
Even if there are no direct ties the inter-equals were clearly a series, they are meant to bridge the gap from the end of the House series to the beginning of Dune by bringing every character into the right place. re: Dr. Yueh joins the Atreides at the end of WoD, and we are left with an unresolved plot line regarding Shaddam's ghola army.
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 26 Jul 2010 16:48
by DuneFishUK
Superdog wrote:MrFlibble wrote:Freakzilla wrote:Which to them equates to adequate research and consistency with the originals.
Rather, the attitude is, "if the new books are inconsistent with the originals, the worse for the originals!" Way to go, guys!
BTW, judging by the recent posts in a Russian Dune forum I sometimes visit, this very attitude offended people who were initially more tolerant of the McDune books, viewing them as a "nice read, even though not on par with the originals". People also note the new books are boring and repetitive, and some have been very disappointed with the suspension of the "Heroes" series as well. BH and KJA seem to be losing their ground at a fast pace...
[Edit] After reading SandChigger's blog I realized that I made a mistake calling the "inquels" "the "Heroes" series", for which I apologize. I should have said "the "Heroes" books that are absolutely not tied into any sequence whatsoever, and are completely standalone works of nearly polished prose". Sorry for any misunderstandings that could have arisen because of my careless choice of words! I repeat,
there is no such thing as "the "Heroes" series" (unless the expression is used to refer to the
Heroes of Might and Magic game series, that is).
Even if there are no direct ties the inter-equals were clearly a series, they are meant to bridge the gap from the end of the House series to the beginning of Dune by bringing every character into the right place. re: Dr. Yueh joins the Atreides at the end of WoD, and we are left with an unresolved plot line regarding Shaddam's ghola army.
I think KJA would know a series when he saw one
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 26 Jul 2010 16:48
by DuneFishUK
DuneFishUK wrote:Superdog wrote:MrFlibble wrote:Freakzilla wrote:Which to them equates to adequate research and consistency with the originals.
Rather, the attitude is, "if the new books are inconsistent with the originals, the worse for the originals!" Way to go, guys!
BTW, judging by the recent posts in a Russian Dune forum I sometimes visit, this very attitude offended people who were initially more tolerant of the McDune books, viewing them as a "nice read, even though not on par with the originals". People also note the new books are boring and repetitive, and some have been very disappointed with the suspension of the "Heroes" series as well. BH and KJA seem to be losing their ground at a fast pace...
[Edit] After reading SandChigger's blog I realized that I made a mistake calling the "inquels" "the "Heroes" series", for which I apologize. I should have said "the "Heroes" books that are absolutely not tied into any sequence whatsoever, and are completely standalone works of nearly polished prose". Sorry for any misunderstandings that could have arisen because of my careless choice of words! I repeat,
there is no such thing as "the "Heroes" series" (unless the expression is used to refer to the
Heroes of Might and Magic game series, that is).
Even if there are no direct ties the inter-equals were clearly a series, they are meant to bridge the gap from the end of the House series to the beginning of Dune by bringing every character into the right place. re: Dr. Yueh joins the Atreides at the end of WoD, and we are left with an unresolved plot line regarding Shaddam's ghola army.
I think KJA would know a series when he dictahiked one
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 26 Jul 2010 20:15
by SandChigger
MrFlibble wrote:[Edit] After reading SandChigger's blog I realized that I made a mistake calling the "inquels" "the "Heroes" series", for which I apologize. I should have said "the "Heroes" books that are absolutely not tied into any sequence whatsoever, and are completely standalone works of nearly polished prose". Sorry for any misunderstandings that could have arisen because of my careless choice of words! I repeat, there is no such thing as "the "Heroes" series" (unless the expression is used to refer to the Heroes of Might and Magic game series, that is).
Russian sarcasm at its best!
(Is that the forum I joined after seeing a link from it in my access logs?)
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 27 Jul 2010 05:45
by MrFlibble
SandChigger wrote:MrFlibble wrote:[Edit] After reading SandChigger's blog I realized that I made a mistake calling the "inquels" "the "Heroes" series", for which I apologize. I should have said "the "Heroes" books that are absolutely not tied into any sequence whatsoever, and are completely standalone works of nearly polished prose". Sorry for any misunderstandings that could have arisen because of my careless choice of words! I repeat, there is no such thing as "the "Heroes" series" (unless the expression is used to refer to the Heroes of Might and Magic game series, that is).
Russian sarcasm at its best!
SandChigger wrote:
(Is that the forum I joined after seeing a link from it in my access logs?)
Yeah, that's the one
I'd dare say it's generally rather... deserted
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 27 Jul 2010 11:15
by SandChigger
Maybe I should hang out there more often then; maybe I could see a ghost!
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 27 Jul 2010 11:27
by MrFlibble
SandChigger wrote:Maybe I should hang out there more often then; maybe I could see a ghost!
You're always welcome!
Would be neat to spice up things out there too
(There's that guy who posts stuff like "I like the new books, very much" whenever opportunity arises
)
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 27 Jul 2010 21:30
by SandChigger
Mmmm... someone itching to have their water taken!
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 27 Jul 2010 22:00
by SadisticCynic
And poured onto the sand, I hope...
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 30 Jul 2010 13:18
by Nekhrun
More Byron Words!!!
http://forum.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/view ... 1782#71782" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
boardadmin wrote:arnoldo wrote:boardadmin wrote:A lot of fans have asked for the audio versions of the books. Guess a lot of people like to listen to them while they commute. Audible.com and MacMillan have the books available on audio CD. I've listed the links below for convenience.
Dune (Audible.com)
Dune (MacMillan Audio)
I downloaded this audiobook via audible.com and was disappointed that this supposedly "unabridged" version was missing the Appendices. Does the CD format of this audiobook have the four appendices?
Good question. It's been a while since I listened to it so i don't recall. I loaned out my audio CDs and haven't gotten them back yet.
Way to act on the behalf of the HLP. You're a fountain of knowledge.
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 30 Jul 2010 13:42
by SandRider
google ain't Merritt's friend, either .....
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 30 Jul 2010 14:15
by Freakzilla
I would never have expected to hear the appendicies on the audio book. Would you?
I'll have to check on that when I get home.
Re: Byron's Own Words
Posted: 30 Jul 2010 15:04
by TheDukester
Freakzilla wrote:I would never have expected to hear the appendicies on the audio book. Would you?
No. I listen to a lot of audio presentations, and I've never yet run into things like appendices, footnotes, endnotes, or whatever actually being read out.
Although, in the case of Dune, they would certainly be a welcomed addition, I wouldn't
expect them to be there.