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Mandy wrote:

SandChigger wrote:That's how FH pronounced it, like Dick Cheney's surname:

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After a lifetime of hearing it mentally as CHAHnee (sorta rhyming with Johnny, not Janey), when I heard FH say it that way, he sounded almost like some kind of uncultured hick.

And trust me, I know hick.

I always said it (in my head) the way FH pronounced it, without ever hearing him say it... but I am an uncultured hick!

You're the exception that proves the rule.

SandChigger wrote:That's how FH pronounced it, like Dick Cheney's surname:

http://www.usul.net/books/audio/chani.wav" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After a lifetime of hearing it mentally as CHAHnee (sorta rhyming with Johnny, not Janey), when I heard FH say it that way, he sounded almost like some kind of uncultured hick.

And trust me, I know hick.

Wouldn't it have to have two N's in the middle to be Chahnee though? If an A is followed by just one consonant and then another vowel (especially at the end of a word) I thought the general rule was that it would be pronounced as "eh" as in "Chain".

With an "ah" in the middle it sounds more hick to me, or maybe like a snooty british accent.

EDIT: wait, or would two N's make it the same A sound as in "and" "Chan-ee"? Where the heck did "ah" come from then?

You know this shit much better than me obviously though.

Mandy wrote:but I am an uncultured hick!

Me, too!

Those spelling rules you mention are all perfectly valid, Thang, but my problem is that "Chani" isn't supposed to be an English word.

FH unfortunately appears to have been all over the place with his orthography and pronunciation. (IIRC he says the first part of "Giedi Prime" like "GAY-dee", where the spelling would instead suggest "gee-eh-dee" [accent on first or second syllable] or even "gyeh-dee".)

Something more to pore & worry over.

Im a cultured hick. Like a pig in a parlour.

SandRider wrote:1977 Vertex (MacKenzie) Interview
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How do you pronounce "Atreides"?

What's the difference how you say it? Pronunciation changes. Language is a very volatile subject. Spoken language, yes. Written language, not as much. But written language also changes. But the spoken language, my god. Accent, variations on pronunciation - a very volatile thing. So what's the difference how you pronounce it? The only thing I go by is I pronounce a man's name the way he pronounces it. I figure he should know. {laughs} Atreides is Atreus - the family Atreus out of Greek mythology.

{Pronunciation}... That's missing the point.

very interesting!
We all imagined a pronunciation while reading the books, and to know that that pronunciation was in fact the right one as much as any other for that matter is all the more reason to like Frank!

He's basically saying that what you say is more important than the way you say it(or at least that's what I get from it)

Omphalos wrote:Like a pig in a parlour.

Oh good GAWD. Did I tell you that story? Or is that just an expression y'all use or you just came up with?

SandChigger wrote:

Omphalos wrote:Like a pig in a parlour.

Oh good GAWD. Did I tell you that story? Or is that just an expression y'all use or you just came up with?

Its language from the Pacifica Foundation "Carlin's Seven Dirty Words" case. Justice Stevens used it in the USSC's opinion on whether or not the Constitution protects users of offensive lnaguage in radio and TV broadcasts from government action.

A nuisance may be merely a right thing in the wrong place – like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard. … We simply hold that when the Commission finds that a pig has entered the parlor, the exercise of its regulatory power does not depend on proof that the pig is obscene. FCC v. Pacifica Foundation, 1978

My old girlfriend and I did a commumity college report on that case and it became a private joke between the two of us; I've been using it since then. I used to hear my Grand from South Carolina say it occasionally too, so I know its an old'un.

Not sure I heard your story. Is it a good one?

No. And you would remember it if you had.

GF just pronounced Thufir Hawat "Thuffer Hwott" Rome was not built in a day.

Ha, that's one of those names I just never even tried out loud...

SandRider wrote:I think it (can be) an interesting discussion ... but a minor one .... more important (and interesting) to me
is the work you do in sussing out the origins of the names and terms Frank used .... which is what this
thread was originally about, yes ?



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BTW, my dick is much, much bigger than yours;
and don't bother me for pix, PM the HoneyTrap ....

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Does it still smell, or have you given it its annual rinse out?

merkin muffley wrote:GF just pronounced Thufir Hawat "Thuffer Hwott" Rome was not built in a day.

I say that one Thoofur hawat, stress on the first syllables.

chanilover wrote: I say that one Thoofur hawat, stress on the first syllables.

Yeah, that seems right to me.

I say "Thoo-fear Ha-wot", and I think the Lynch movie called him "Two-fur" once.

Usul.net doesn't have a soundbite of Frank saying it.

in my mind, I always heard

Thu-FEAR ha'WAT ...

after a thousand viewings of the bootlegged VHS
of the Lynch movie (my kids really, really liked it)
and an illegally dubbed "Chronicles of Dune" abridged
"audio book" in the 80's (I don't know if we called them
"audio-books" then or not - seems like the phrase was
books-on-tape - and since it was a homemade
copy, there was no info as to who was doing the
reading ...), I now cannot help but read :

THOO-fur HAH-what




also:

Does it still smell, or have you given it its annual rinse out?

while I haven't actually intentionally washed it since before Memorial Day,
I did spend quite a bit of time in the Saline River on my recent trip to Arkansas,
at the Jenkin's Ferry Battle Site, trying to determine if the buried canon in the
"Baptizin' Bend" could ever be pulled out of the mud without diverting the flow
and drying out that section of the riverbed ... but then I put back on the same
jeans I've been kicking cows and crawling around the cotton fields in all summer,
so now it kinda smells like funk, and potato chips, and dead catfish ...