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Emperor's Hand wrote: Hello! This is the first thread that I have ever started so, it's also kinda of an introduction thread as well!

Okay here is the scene;

Timothy Zahn and KJA have been given the powers to allow their thought to manifest. What ever one writes down, as in a novel, will be sorta real. They each write on the same book but on different sides. Make sense?
So who wins?

My theory:

Timothy starts off cautious, he takes great pain and care in introducing us to his characters, he makes them interesting, believable and viable. KJA ignores this and starts by introducing high ranking baddies, who we are led to believe are very competent, but gives us no proof. They attack and make a huge succes out of it, regardless of the fact that all they were doing was bombing a stone-age civilisation out of existance. They now are meant to be interpreted as infailable and the CANNOT be beaten.

Back to Tim, his vilians have also launched an attack, although not 100% succesfull, they achieve their major objectives, and the situation looks, grim. The good guys however are on the case and they begind to show some spirit and fight back, it's desperate, it's necessary and it's believable.

KJA meanwhile, his bad guys are nearly victorious, when he suddenly realises he is about to reach his word limit, so he allows the good guys to pull some trump card out of their respective areses and save the day. Thus totally negating your entire effort of reading 600 odd pages of drible just because the ending is stupid.

As a result, Tim's well crafted effort is short changed because he had the audacity to actually make this whole thing realistic.

Well that was a little bit longer than I thought it would be, but it at least shows you my view of who is the best STAR WARS EU author is...

KJA meanwhile, his bad guys are nearly victorious, when he suddenly realises he is about to reach his word limit, so he allows the good guys to pull some trump card out of their respective areses and save the day. Thus totally negating your entire effort of reading 600 odd pages of drible just because the ending is stupid.

why even bother with this poll. Zhan is a skilled writer, he and Stackpole are IMHO among the best of the SW authors (well Alliston too. the X-wing books where a refreshing change from the overly political EU books of the time) KJA he's basicly just a hack writer. hell he doesn't even WRITE the things himself. he records it into a tape and gets some one to type it for him apparently.

Not an attack, but bother with this pole because don't you hate it when hack writters totally undo all the good work that good one's do? And really I think that Zahn is the best, however it saddens me to admit that KJA would probably win because he would use the old pull something ridiculous out of my arse trick at the last moment!

Redstar wrote:Isn't she the one that coined the term "talifan" and deleted entire discussions criticizing her work?

Emperor's Hand wrote: KJA ignores this and starts by introducing high ranking baddies, who we are led to believe are very competent, but gives us no proof. They attack and make a huge succes out of it, regardless of the fact that all they were doing was bombing a stone-age civilisation out of existance. They now are meant to be interpreted as infailable and the CANNOT be beaten

...his bad guys are nearly victorious, when he suddenly realises he is about to reach his word limit, so he allows the good guys to pull some trump card out of their respective areses and save the day. Thus totally negating your entire effort of reading 600 odd pages of drible just because the ending is stupid.

Superdog wrote:I must say, as far as SW EU authors I'm really impressed with Karen Traviss.

Emperor's Hand wrote: KJA meanwhile, his bad guys are nearly victorious, when he suddenly realises he is about to reach his word limit, so he allows the good guys to pull some trump card out of their respective areses and save the day. Thus totally negating your entire effort of reading 600 odd pages of drible just because the ending is stupid.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:The SW community might just hate him as much as we do.

why even bother with this poll. Zhan is a skilled writer, he and Stackpole are IMHO among the best of the SW authors (well Alliston too. the X-wing books where a refreshing change from the overly political EU books of the time) KJA he's basicly just a hack writer. hell he doesn't even WRITE the things himself. he records it into a tape and gets some one to type it for him apparently.

Not an attack, but bother with this pole because don't you hate it when hack writters totally undo all the good work that good one's do? And really I think that Zahn is the best, however it saddens me to admit that KJA would probably win because he would use the old pull something ridiculous out of my arse trick at the last moment!

Omphalos wrote:Well, Timothy Zahn sucks too.

Omphalos wrote:But hey, he has a Nebula under his belt, while Spanks only has a few Certificates of Attendance from the Nebula Award Ceremony.

SandRider wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:The SW community might just hate him as much as we do.

I don't see how .... StarWars, from the first movie all the way to last week's CloneWars cartoon
is juvenile bullshit; its' best points are straight rip-offs from real science fiction works or Greek
mythology .... in the long run, StarWars is chewing gum; Spanky fits right in there, I can't see
those people being too angry .... what kind of fucking literary genius has ever written
anything with a StarWars label on it ? I thought the prereq for writing a StarWars book was
being a hack ?

on the other hand, Frank Herbert's Dune is a Classic of American Literature ...

I'm sure the Xfiles books were stupid, too, and I haven't seen DC offering another poke
at any of their properties ....

also, anybody who hits "send" on posts like this,
I just don't give a fuck about what they think ...

why even bother with this poll. Zhan is a skilled writer, he and Stackpole are IMHO among the best of the SW authors (well Alliston too. the X-wing books where a refreshing change from the overly political EU books of the time) KJA he's basicly just a hack writer. hell he doesn't even WRITE the things himself. he records it into a tape and gets some one to type it for him apparently.

Not an attack, but bother with this pole because don't you hate it when hack writters totally undo all the good work that good one's do? And really I think that Zahn is the best, however it saddens me to admit that KJA would probably win because he would use the old pull something ridiculous out of my arse trick at the last moment!

Superdog wrote:I must say, as far as SW EU authors I'm really impressed with Karen Traviss.

Superdog wrote:There was a big argument about her saying in the Clone Wars the Republic had 3 million clones, which is significantly smaller than say, WW2, and thus pretty implausible.

TheDukester wrote:Karen Traviss can eat a big plate of shit and choke on it.

She's the female KJA: she's a hack franchise writer, thinks she's never wrong, has elected to be combative with SW fans, and generally manages to act pretty much like Anderhack every chance she gets.

Beyond all that, she can never be forgiven for "Talifan." That's simply offensive on every imaginable level.

Superdog wrote:

TheDukester wrote:Karen Traviss can eat a big plate of shit and choke on it.

She's the female KJA: she's a hack franchise writer, thinks she's never wrong, has elected to be combative with SW fans, and generally manages to act pretty much like Anderhack every chance she gets.

Beyond all that, she can never be forgiven for "Talifan." That's simply offensive on every imaginable level.

See I never heard anything of her fan interaction, I was just impressed with the level of plausibility she brought to the star wars novels. People drink coffee, watch the news stuff like that.

Haddonfield, NJ: Second Question - I've noticed similarities between your Sword of Truth series and Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series...(Black Sisterhood vs. Black Ajah; The Order vs. The Seanchan; Richard vs. Rand both discovering their powers, both have Nameless evil Gods...etc.) I've often voiced my suspicion that these two series might be occurring on the same world...how crazy am I?

Terry Goodkind: If you notice a similarity, then you probably aren't old enough to read my books.

TheDukester wrote:Karen Traviss can eat a big plate of shit and choke on it.

She's the female KJA: she's a hack franchise writer, thinks she's never wrong, has elected to be combative with SW fans, and generally manages to act pretty much like Anderhack every chance she gets.

Beyond all that, she can never be forgiven for "Talifan." That's simply offensive on every imaginable level.

"also, anybody who hits "send" on posts like this,
I just don't give a fuck about what they think ..."- yet you post your opinion here.

SandRider wrote:

"also, anybody who hits "send" on posts like this,
I just don't give a fuck about what they think ..."- yet you post your opinion here.

reading is fundamental .... my obvious intent was that if a moron cannot take the time to
construct a somewhat grammatically correct post, the chances are that his opinion is worthless ...

related to Pretard Rule #1; if you've read KJA and didn't immediately recognize talentless hackery,
you're an idiot and all your opinions are suspect ... in the same way, attempting to toss Star Wars
into a discussion of serious literature raises the Red ShitHeel Flag .... and if the post is riddled with
simple spelling errors and reads like a preteen's text to her BFF, I'm not going to listen to you ...

SandRider wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:The SW community might just hate him as much as we do.

I don't see how .... StarWars, from the first movie all the way to last week's CloneWars cartoon
is juvenile bullshit; its' best points are straight rip-offs from real science fiction works or Greek
mythology .... in the long run, StarWars is chewing gum; Spanky fits right in there, I can't see
those people being too angry .... what kind of fucking literary genius has ever written
anything with a StarWars label on it ? I thought the prereq for writing a StarWars book was
being a hack ?