Re: My skin is not my own...
Posted: 23 May 2010 20:35
I feel your pain ... well, second-hand. My wife is ready to ship her 6th-grade class off to some remote island that does not appear on any known map.
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Okay, my point was that 've and of are homophonic enclitics - SandChigger, any input on this? Okay, regardless of terminology, I see your point, thanks for filling me in (And everyone else, sorry for this distraction)Robspierre wrote:I asked my Grammar professor about this. Technically, because could of and should of do not exist, it is not case of mixed-up homophones. Technically, to be considered homophones, could of and should of need to exist. Also to be considered a homophone, could of and could've must have different meanings. They can be considered contrived contractions similar to I'll and eye'll (as in my eye'll be on you.) Contrived contractions come out of conversation, which brings us back to, it is a case of how people speak that finds its way into written English.
Yes, this all hinges on could of and should of not " technically existing." if they did "technically exist" it would be a case of mixed-up homophones.
No worries. Language and the differences between how it is spoken and written can be interesting.MrFlibble wrote:Okay, my point was that 've and of are homophonic enclitics - SandChigger, any input on this? Okay, regardless of terminology, I see your point, thanks for filling me in (And everyone else, sorry for this distraction)Robspierre wrote:I asked my Grammar professor about this. Technically, because could of and should of do not exist, it is not case of mixed-up homophones. Technically, to be considered homophones, could of and should of need to exist. Also to be considered a homophone, could of and could've must have different meanings. They can be considered contrived contractions similar to I'll and eye'll (as in my eye'll be on you.) Contrived contractions come out of conversation, which brings us back to, it is a case of how people speak that finds its way into written English.
Yes, this all hinges on could of and should of not " technically existing." if they did "technically exist" it would be a case of mixed-up homophones.
Freakzilla wrote:I think the worst brain fart I ever had... and I will always remember it for its magnitude... was when once I forgot how to spell "of". I think some strong narcotics were wearing off at the time.
Always!Robspierre wrote:No worries. Language and the differences between how it is spoken and written can be interesting.
and then Chigger goes all College Professor
I would imagine that each pearl would be required to completely reassemble Leto's consciousness.Borrace wrote:I was thinking about something...kind of a "what if" scenario...and this thought came from reading another thread in this paticular forum about Leto's "four deaths"...
WHAT IF...
After Leto II dies and goes back into the sand...and 1000 years pass...and sandworms retake the face of arrakis...and sandtrout once again flop in the sand...
WHAT IF another Atreides (or other person) who is capable of supersaturating their body with spice put the Leto II "pearl of awareness" skin on their own body and underwent the transformation??? Would Leto II reappear?
just thoughts.
Thank you for finding some time to comment on thisSandChigger wrote:Well, damn, I was just going to ignore this and let it go away.
Well, the cases of could of/should of certainly stand out as strikingly unusual because the reader expects something different from a preposition between the modal verb and the main verb, so I thought I'd ask I wonder if such errors, given that they become regular, could actually affect grammar to any extent in the future?SandChigger wrote:I can't see any evidence for supposing there's some kind of linguistic change in progress here.
Oh yes, I had kind of and sort of in mind when talking about of as an encliticSandChigger wrote:Oh, right: the homophonic clitics bit. Of course 've is a clitic, but in general I wouldn't think of of as being one, although it definitely acts as one in things like adverbial kind of and sort of, as shown by their reduced forms kinda and sorta.
Heh, analogy is generally a pretty weird thingSandChigger wrote:Maybe that's where the verb usage originates, by some sort of weird analogy? ???
Don't give KJA ideas! I've already imagined a new novel (series?): "Heroes of Dune on the Quest of Assembling the Pearls of Leto's Consciousness" (which are now scattered across the universe)reverendmotherQ. wrote:I would imagine that each pearl would be required to completely reassemble Leto's consciousness.
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MrFlibble wrote:
Once again, sorry for going astray of the discussion!
Liked that one, did ya?SadisticCynic wrote:...SandChigger wrote:
...A Complete Partial Set...
According to an interview I read, it depends on what his "Star Wars rulebook" says.Freakzilla wrote:If Duncan could get all his serial life memories back without a complete set of cell samples, I think a KH could share Leto's OM with an incomplete set of sandtrout.
D Pope wrote:According to an interview I read, it depends on what his "Star Wars rulebook" says.
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Hack wrote: Wells himself has always been a huge influence on me, and Dickens is a spiritual brother (a popular tale-spinner).
And a review of Book 1 of The Saga of Seven SunsInfinity Plus wrote: "a couple of times Anderson is moved to notch up the hellish pathos of it all by starting to quote Sidney Carton from Dickens's A Tale of Two Cities: "It is a far, far better thing..." At this stage this reviewer entered a state of paralysis, unable to decide whether to throw the book at the wall or just to fold up in giggles."
Ibid wrote: Hidden Empire is not simply bad, it's embarrassingly bad, especially when you realise just how many books Kevin J. Anderson has produced previously. The individual motivations, galactic politics, technologies, culture - everything, in fact, seems crushingly predictable, poorly reasoned and frankly rather naïve.
Earthlight publish a lot of good sf, so why they should feel the need to print this monstrosity is beyond me. Innocent trees have died to make this book, and such senseless slaughter should make you angry!
Emphasis mine.I like to view my best novels as literary "widescreen CinemaScope" productions, such as my Dune prequels with Brian Herbert, or my forthcoming multi-volume science fiction epic, The Saga of Seven Suns.
RobBrian Herbert, of course, brings with him a legitimacy and a deep understanding of Frank Herbert's work,
ZING!!!Hunchback Jack wrote:I imagine we'll soon be hearing that he was going to send a signed copy of his first novel to Dickens, but Dickens passed away before he had the chance.
Yeah, I thought Frank Herbert was his spiritual brother from a different mother. I've always thought, though, that Omnius was like the Ghost of Christmas Past with some Mengele.Hunchback Jack wrote:I imagine we'll soon be hearing that he was going to send a signed copy of his first novel to Dickens, but Dickens passed away before he had the chance.