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in here somewhere -

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SandRider wrote:in here somewhere -

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Much appreciated. Seems to be a lot of interesting posts on there.

Sorry, Xenu, ya caught me mid-commute.

This page in the new Encyclopedia part of HToD maybe illustrates it better:

http://encyclopedia.hairyticksofdune.ne ... arism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The core of the lyrics are a translation of (the majority of) the epigraph for Ch.47 of Dune:

"Though we deem the captive dead, yet does she live. For her seed is my seed and her voice is my voice. And she sees unto the farthest reaches of possibility. Yea, unto the vale of the unknowable does she see because of me."

HTH

Yeah I managed to find my way there via the blog, it's pretty despicable what they've done, they actually had me believing the song was in proper Fremen and the translation was a proper one(Keep in mind I'm a 19 year old newcomer to the Dune universe.)

We should make the bastards pay with their water.

Well, the original translation from The Dune Encyclopedia is proper "Fremen" if you take that to mean slightly modified Egyptian-ish Arabic.

The problem, though, is that while the original epigraph is about Alia when she has been abducted by the Sardaukar/Harkonnens near the end of Dune (hence the "Though we consider her dead, she, the captive Alia, is still alive."), Tyler wanted to use the song for the montage where Chani is giving birth and they're executing Mohiam & Edric and the other conspirators. So he repeated a few sections and added some gibberish to pad it out and make it long enough.

What I'd love to know is if the Herberts knew about it.

(Not before the fact, of course, because if Yaitanes' account of events is accurate, then Tyler sort of holed up for about six weeks and presented Yaitanes with the complete score when he was finished. But afterwards...???)

SandChigger wrote: The problem, though, is that while the original epigraph is about Alia when she has been abducted by the Sardaukar/Harkonnens near the end of Dune (hence the "Though we consider her dead, she, the captive Alia, is still alive."), Tyler wanted to use the song for the montage where Chani is giving birth and they're executing Mohiam & Edric and the other conspirators. So he repeated a few sections and added some gibberish to pad it out and make it long enough.

Lousy musicians!

I've been painting Tyler as the bad guy, but it may be that he (or they? = he, Yaitanes & the movie production) came up with the story to avoid copyright/legal problems with the Herberts.

Those pricks smell money and they're instantly stiff and throbbing and all pre-drippy.

You can't copyright individual words, IIRC. (Only trademark them?) So maybe they figured if the story was that he had gone through the books and found the words and pieced them together into a new text, the Herbert lawyers wouldn't really have any way to come after them. Or maybe there was some clause in the CoD mini-series contract that allowed them some liberal or special use of the book texts or something (Omph, any idears here?) and they slipped the Fremen lyrics through that way.

As it stands, again, the DE passage is a translation of a passage from Dune, so the copyrights are probably fuzzy. (Right, Omph?) So maybe they (the movie people) were afraid that the Herberts would demand more money if they discovered the true source of the lyrics?

Oops.

SandChigger wrote:Those pricks smell money and they're instantly stiff and throbbing and all pre-drippy...Oops.

there goes my appetite.

Just wait till Teg shows up with a smutley!

I mean, smiley!

I can haz all teg's pornocons in new smiley-set, rite Omph?

Whoa! Horney little fook, what?

You guys are getting my Wii all hot!

Xenu wrote:You guys are getting my Wii all hot!

your Wiifee?

lotek wrote:

Xenu wrote:You guys are getting my Wii all hot!

your Wiifee?

No, though I wish I had one.

Preferably a robotic one that doesn't talk unless first spoken to by me.

try one of those
Roxxxy Robot Girlfriend: True Companion or Sex Toy

lotek wrote:try one of those
Roxxxy Robot Girlfriend: True Companion or Sex Toy

"The Roxxy Robot Girlfriend will cost around $7000 plus a subscription fee, and users will get customizable personalities."

Bah, screw that, might as well buy a real one from Russia then!

Xenu wrote:

lotek wrote:try one of those
Roxxxy Robot Girlfriend: True Companion or Sex Toy

"The Roxxy Robot Girlfriend will cost around $7000 plus a subscription fee, and users will get customizable personalities."

Bah, screw that, might as well buy a real one from Russia then!

Xenu wrote:

lotek wrote:try one of those
Roxxxy Robot Girlfriend: True Companion or Sex Toy

"The Roxxy Robot Girlfriend will cost around $7000 plus a subscription fee, and users will get customizable personalities."

Bah, screw that, might as well buy a real one from Russia then!

Wouldn't $7,000 buy you half the women in St Petersburg, and leave you change for a sack of potatoes and the bus fare home?

chanilover wrote:

Xenu wrote:

lotek wrote:try one of those
Roxxxy Robot Girlfriend: True Companion or Sex Toy

"The Roxxy Robot Girlfriend will cost around $7000 plus a subscription fee, and users will get customizable personalities."

Bah, screw that, might as well buy a real one from Russia then!

Wouldn't $7,000 buy you half the women in St Petersburg, and leave you change for a sack of potatoes and the bus fare home?

Good point.
Hmm. A harem sounds like an excellent idea.

According to the contact page on Brian Tyler's website, he is represented by The Gorfaine/Schwartz Agency, Inc., of Sherman Oaks, California. If you check out their website, you soon discover that they list only a physical street address and a telephone number, with no means of web-based or email contact indicated. Selective email probing by yours truly revealed that there are no functioning webmaster@, postmaster@, or info@ email addresses associated with the domain.

So on August 9th I googled "@gsamusic.com" and turned up a number of addresses (four, to be exact) and sent them a general inquiry message apologizing for the bother but asking that they pass the message along to the agent handling Brian Tyler. The very next day I received back a message from a woman claiming to be Tyler's agent, asking how she might help me. So I asked whether she might be willing and able to pass along an inquiry to Mr Tyler regarding a slight discrepancy concerning information provided on his website.

And I never heard anything back from her.

So yesterday I sent a follow-up inquiring, expressing my disappointment at not having heard anything more back from her in over a month and asking whether I might expect any sort of response to be forthcoming...


I still think there's something potentially interesting behind all this. I guess the next thing to do is to try to get ahold of Tyler's appearance and interview schedule and try to arrange for someone to ambush him (with questions). Smearing "Brian Tyler is a plagiarist!" across Twitter and other sites certainly hasn't gotten a response....

Shit yes. And then Super Duncan can drag KJA off to Erasmus's experiment pens.

SandChigger wrote:Yeah ... we need to show up with a Truthsayer at the next book signing where both hacks are present.

"Anderson! Has Herbert written anything besides his name on the checks and inside these books he signs?"

"Yes! Brian and I share the work equally!"

"HE LIES!!! ARE there any notes?"

"Of ... of course there are!"

"HE LIES AGAIN!!!"

It would be glorious.

Are those the same pens Erasmus uses when he admires Gilbertus Albans' naked form?

His pens get all engorged then.