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Posted: **29 Aug 2009 05:40**

Outside of Guild Heighliners and the Ithaca, was there ever any other transport mentioned in the series? I remember in one of the prequels the mention of the first Harkonnen no-ship, that Raban crashed on to Wallach. (I can't remember, it's been 2 years.) But, okay -- why would they need a no-ship before Paul, anyway? To hide from the BG?

I can't remember if there was. I had imagined at one point, if the BT had ever been a space-faring type, they'd call the ships, "Sky-snakes". Oh well.

I could not remember if there was trans-planetary transportation or not. Did they really call upon the guild for everything? And if so, how were smugglers successful? Pay offs? To who?

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 09:03**

I think it's thought that the smugglers worked by bribing the Guild and sometimes the local government. Other than the Guild Heighliners there are the landers that they carry, but I don't think those are ever mentioned for use in interplanetary travel.

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 09:39**

E. LeGuille wrote:Outside of Guild Heighliners and the Ithaca, was there ever any other transport mentioned in the series? I remember in one of the prequels the mention of the first Harkonnen no-ship, that Raban crashed on to Wallach. (I can't remember, it's been 2 years.) But, okay -- why would they need a no-ship before Paul, anyway? To hide from the BG?

It's been a while, but was it an actual no-ship (shielding the occupants from prescience) or simply just a cloaked ship (that the HacksTwain thought would be cool to call a no-ship)?

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 10:22**

E. LeGuille wrote:Outside of Guild Heighliners and the Ithaca, was there ever any other transport mentioned in the series?

Wooooooooooooorrrms. Specifically when they're ridden. And ornithopters.

Or do you mean vessels meant for interplanetary travel?

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 10:30**

...and thorses...

Mankind's movement through deep space placed a unique stamp on religion
during the one hundred and ten centuries that preceded the Butlerian Jihad. To
begin with, early space travel, although widespread, was largely unregulated,
slow, and uncertain, and, before the Guild monopoly, was accomplished by a
hodgepodge of methods. The first space experiences, poorly communicated and
subject to extreme distortion, were a wild inducement to mystical speculation.
~Appendix II: The Religion of Dune

If you have not read the appendicies in Dune, I highly recommend it.

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 14:27**

Generic "ground vehicles," lighters and frigates for space to orbit travel. Teg has "hammerships" and trooper carriers at his disposal when he attacks Junction.

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 14:42**

Slugger wrote:Generic "ground vehicles," lighters and frigates for space to orbit travel. Teg has "hammerships" and trooper carriers at his disposal when he attacks Junction.

..and armor (tanks).

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 15:11**

I remember in one of the prequels the mention of the first Harkonnen no-ship, that Raban crashed on to Wallach.

is this what Joe Smith was babbling about before the NWO stormtroopers knocked on his door ?

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 15:25**

SandRider wrote:
I remember in one of the prequels the mention of the first Harkonnen no-ship, that Raban crashed on to Wallach.
is this what Joe Smith was babbling about before the NWO stormtroopers knocked on his door ?

Undoubtedly.

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 16:35**

Slugger wrote:
E. LeGuille wrote:Outside of Guild Heighliners and the Ithaca, was there ever any other transport mentioned in the series? I remember in one of the prequels the mention of the first Harkonnen no-ship, that Raban crashed on to Wallach. (I can't remember, it's been 2 years.) But, okay -- why would they need a no-ship before Paul, anyway? To hide from the BG?
It's been a while, but was it an actual no-ship (shielding the occupants from prescience) or simply just a cloaked ship (that the HacksTwain thought would be cool to call a no-ship)?

What they wrote: It's a no-ship and it's invisible to the naked eye.
What FH wrote: No ships aren't invisible to the naked eye.
What they then wrote: It's not the same no-tech as in the later books.

The existence to no-tech in the prequels comes from a line in the UK ed of Heretics in the Gammu no-globe: "Teg guessed it to be much earlier than that of the Tyrant" ... whao, wow, wait! ... FH himself placed no-tech pre-tyrant!!1!!!!!!1...

..only he didn't. Teg is guessing it pre-dates Leto's own no-room not Leto himself. This is blindingly obvious if you read the line in context.

Two biggest Dune fans eh?

Two biggest tossers.

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 19:06**

DuneFishUK wrote: What they wrote: It's a no-ship and it's invisible to the naked eye.
What FH wrote: No ships aren't invisible to the naked eye.
What they then wrote: It's not the same no-tech as in the later books.

Is it a "no ship" or "no-ship" that isn't invisible to the naked eye?

No-ships do possess a device to render them invisible. That's the whole point of Teg being able to see them.

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He (Teg) lifted off the Flat and repositioned in full invisibility. Now, only the
comlinks gave defenders a clue to his position and that was masked by decoy
relays.

Page 311 of my CH:D PDF.

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 19:17**

FH's no-ships are invisible to the eye, if they want it to be. Don't make me whip out my quotes...

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 19:44**

It has been a while

The scene that sticks in my mind is the glistening no-ship.

(Dune Messiah Chapter 4 and counting

)

Posted: **29 Aug 2009 19:53**

For brief moments when they disgorged troops, no-ships were visible and
vulnerable. He held elements of the entire force responsive to his comboard and
responsibility was heavy.

...

He lifted off the Flat and repositioned in full invisibility. Now, only the
comlinks gave defenders a clue to his position and that was masked by decoy
relays.
~Chapterhouse: Dune

This is from the battle for Gammu, where the enemy was in the line of sight.

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 00:35**

But my main concern, I guess, was the sudden existence of a no-ship before the Ithaca -- or what it the Ithaca? I cannot remember if it was stolen from Raban, taken back by the Harkonnen or what... I got confused on House Corrino.

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 01:25**

E. LeGuille wrote:But my main concern, I guess, was the sudden existence of a no-ship before the Ithaca -- or what it the Ithaca? I cannot remember if it was stolen from Raban, taken back by the Harkonnen or what... I got confused on House Corrino.

Please, forget everything the Hacks Twain ever wrote. There are so many inconsistancies wth FH most of us doubt they've even read his books.

No-field technology was invented by the Ixians on commision from Leto II in the begining of his reign in order to hide His Journals at Dar es Balat. They used the tech after perfecting it to invent the Ixian Navigation Machine and after perfecting it near the end of his reign made an opposite clone of Malky to woo the God Emperor. To initiate The Scattering, Leto sent Reverend Mother Anteac leading a force of Fish Speakers to invade IX. The Ixians scattered, sending no-field and INM tech far and wide. The Harkonnens drained their funds building the first no-field besides Dar-es-Balat that we know of.

Any nonsense about pre-Tyrant no-fields is just that. BTW, Ithica is a name given by the hacks to the HM no-ship stolen by Teg, FH never gave it's name.

I could clarify what happened in House Harkonnen (?) but will not.

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 02:09**

E. LeGuille wrote:But my main concern, I guess, was the sudden existence of a no-ship before the Ithaca -- or what it the Ithaca? I cannot remember if it was stolen from Raban, taken back by the Harkonnen or what... I got confused on House Corrino.

I felt a little sorry for you when I read that.
Lucky the only one online was Freak.

Lucky the SandChigger is at the undisclosed secret location,
and not monitoring the board ....

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 02:12**

Thanks, now I've got beer and whiskey EVERYWHERE!

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 02:14**

I was just fixin' to ax you whut you was doin up at 3am EST

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 02:19**

SandRider wrote:I was just fixin' to ax you whut you was doin up at 3am EST

I've already passed out once...

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 02:21**

Played a game of Antietam! and got pissed off when the Yankees threw the third wave at me and I quit.

Bastards seem like they have unlimited men.

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 02:27**

I just fell off the internet.

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 02:33**

My lesser half's softball team came in second in their tournament today and I gave her a Jackson to go get drunk with them, so I've been waiting up for her to come home in hopes of violating her ten different ways.

She usually doesn't stay out this late. I kind of don't hope she's not in jail, I just paid bills and don't have money for bail, not sure I'm going to have money for D*C. I'd love to hear her call from County though.

Man, if I'd known there were so many hotties on her team I'd have gone to every game... I told her which ones to bring home.

I called the numer she left and got VM. Kinda worried. The way she treated me last time I was in jail I don't think she would dare call me.

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 06:11**

Unfortunately, she's not in jail.

Posted: **30 Aug 2009 21:52**

Freakzilla wrote:Unfortunately, she's not in jail.

You are such a....

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