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The Trades Interview, Aug 2009 wrote: There's a small but loud contingent of hardcore Dune fans who seem to react to any addition to the Dune legacy as one might expect fundamentalist religions would react to someone trying to expand the Pentateuch. Was that a surprise, and how did you come to cope with that kind of criticism?

There was a group on the Internet before House Atreides was published -- that was our first novel that came out in 1999 -- and there was a hue and cry before that book was published asserting that we should not write a new novel in the series. Later, after they read the first novel, many of them actually apologized to us in writing. So we appreciate that.

TheKJAckass, Writers Write interview, Sept/Oct 2003 wrote:

(Keith) ...you must develop your own work, become established as an author,before you would ever be asked to work in an established universe. We had this experience with Dune, which was one of the uglier ones. I still kind of shake my head over how unfair they were.

Before House Atreides came out, there was an "uprising" on one of the Dune fan boards about:how dare we do this? Even though Frank Herbert was obviously going to write more Dune books,even though he left copious notes behind, and even though he had asked Brian to write a Dunebook before he died…but these people just thought it was terrible and they got together and theyposted sixty one star reviews of our new book (which wasn't out yet) on Amazon.com. The catchis, the book wasn't even out yet. And the posts would say, "I don't even need to read this book toknow that it sucks."

That's just absurd.

Amazon.com has rules that you can't post unless you've read the book, so we were able to get those removed. But it was disturbing how nasty these people were. The light at the end of thetunnel, or the silver lining or whatever cliché you want to use, is that after House Atreides came out,Brian and I received a bunch of apology letters from these people. So we thought, "Well, that's about as good as we can expect." They said that they felt that we had really captured Dune and had not disgraced Frank Herbert's name and they appreciated what we were doing, even they had been against it in the first place.

Let's talk about Dune now. First off, how did your collaboration with Brian Herbert come
about? You didn't already know him, did you?

No, I didn't know him. But the science fiction community is like a small, tightly-knit dysfunctional family. We all either know each other or have mutual friends. So it's not really hard to get in touch with someone. I was always such a huge Dune fan, and had read all six of his books. Frank's last Dune book was called Chapterhouse Dune and it ends on a cliffhanger. It builds up, and then it just ends. As a Dune fan, I couldn't stand it. I mean, Frank Herbert died, so I couldn't expect him to finish it, but his son Brian was an established science fiction writer. In fact, Frank's last published book, entitled Man of Two Worlds, was co-written with Brian. So I knew that they had worked together and that Brian had obviously followed in his father's footsteps. But after ten years of waiting, I was beginning to lose hope that Brian was going to write the next Dune book that I wanted to read. Finally, through a mutual friend, I sent a letter introducing myself. By this time, I had quite a few credits, some award nominations, and had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books, so that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe and do a good job at it. So I sent him some samples of my books and asked him if he was ever going to write this book, because if he was, that I wanted to read it. And, if he was putting it off, or didn't know what you were going to do the rest of the Dune story, could I help you with it or offer my assistance -- or if you're not going to do it at all, could I do it. The first line of my letter was, "What you just heard was a shot in the dark." Because I had finally convinced myself that I had nothing to lose anyway. If he said no, well that was all there would be to it. But Brian called me alittle later after he received the letter and -- not surprisingly, although I didn't think of it at the time --Brian had many people who had asked to write more Dune books.

Omphalos wrote:

SandChigger wrote:Meh. Again, there's nothing really new there, is there?

Actually that language that Freak quoted pretty much makes Kevin a liar, who has said in the past that they have a whole team of proofers, fact checkers, experts and "Dune PhDs," doesn't it?

lotek wrote:is there a ropic on the dune 2010 movie?
I can't find it...

SandChigger wrote:

lotek wrote:is there a ropic on the dune 2010 movie?
I can't find it...

Ahp, happens that there be.

Dune Media > New Dune Movie

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SandRider wrote:

The Trades Interview, Aug 2009 wrote: There's a small but loud contingent of hardcore Dune fans who seem to react to any addition to the Dune legacy as one might expect fundamentalist religions would react to someone trying to expand the Pentateuch. Was that a surprise, and how did you come to cope with that kind of criticism?

There was a group on the Internet before House Atreides was published -- that was our first novel that came out in 1999 -- and there was a hue and cry before that book was published asserting that we should not write a new novel in the series. Later, after they read the first novel, many of them actually apologized to us in writing. So we appreciate that.

that kinda rang a bell, so I dug back a bit :

TheKJAckass, Writers Write interview, Sept/Oct 2003 wrote:

(Keith) ...you must develop your own work, become established as an author,before you would ever be asked to work in an established universe. We had this experience with Dune, which was one of the uglier ones. I still kind of shake my head over how unfair they were.

Before House Atreides came out, there was an "uprising" on one of the Dune fan boards about:how dare we do this? Even though Frank Herbert was obviously going to write more Dune books,even though he left copious notes behind, and even though he had asked Brian to write a Dunebook before he died…but these people just thought it was terrible and they got together and theyposted sixty one star reviews of our new book (which wasn't out yet) on Amazon.com. The catchis, the book wasn't even out yet. And the posts would say, "I don't even need to read this book toknow that it sucks."

That's just absurd.

Amazon.com has rules that you can't post unless you've read the book, so we were able to get those removed. But it was disturbing how nasty these people were. The light at the end of thetunnel, or the silver lining or whatever cliché you want to use, is that after House Atreides came out,Brian and I received a bunch of apology letters from these people. So we thought, "Well, that's about as good as we can expect." They said that they felt that we had really captured Dune and had not disgraced Frank Herbert's name and they appreciated what we were doing, even they had been against it in the first place.

a little different, for a minute there, I thought
Brian was copy&pasting Keith's interviews ....

but while reading this old interview,
I ran across this little gem:

Let's talk about Dune now. First off, how did your collaboration with Brian Herbert come
about? You didn't already know him, did you?

No, I didn't know him. But the science fiction community is like a small, tightly-knit dysfunctional family. We all either know each other or have mutual friends. So it's not really hard to get in touch with someone. I was always such a huge Dune fan, and had read all six of his books. Frank's last Dune book was called Chapterhouse Dune and it ends on a cliffhanger. It builds up, and then it just ends. As a Dune fan, I couldn't stand it. I mean, Frank Herbert died, so I couldn't expect him to finish it, but his son Brian was an established science fiction writer. In fact, Frank's last published book, entitled Man of Two Worlds, was co-written with Brian. So I knew that they had worked together and that Brian had obviously followed in his father's footsteps. But after ten years of waiting, I was beginning to lose hope that Brian was going to write the next Dune book that I wanted to read. Finally, through a mutual friend, I sent a letter introducing myself. By this time, I had quite a few credits, some award nominations, and had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books,

so that proved not just that I'm a hack,

but that I could write in somebody else's universe and do a good job at it. So I sent him some samples of my books and asked him if he was ever going to write this book, because if he was, that I wanted to read it. And, if he was putting it off, or didn't know what you were going to do the rest of the Dune story, could I help you with it or offer my assistance -- or if you're not going to do it at all, could I do it. The first line of my letter was, "What you just heard was a shot in the dark." Because I had finally convinced myself that I had nothing to lose anyway. If he said no, well that was all there would be to it. But Brian called me alittle later after he received the letter and -- not surprisingly, although I didn't think of it at the time --Brian had many people who had asked to write more Dune books.

feel free to copypasta Keith's own words where-ever
pretards gather & spew their nonsense.

SandRider wrote:"proved that I'm not just a hack"

DuneFishUK wrote:

Q: Are you optimistic about Peter Berg’s upcoming adaptation?
A: Kevin and I are technical advisors on it. We sat in with them for a meeting about the script, and we gave them a lot of information and our feelings about the need for authenticity. They want to do a classic interpretation of the novel, and it would follow the plot more carefully. But it’s such a huge canvas. And so we’re in the script-writing phase right now, and we’re hopeful it gets the green-light beyond that. And if the movie does well, then there will be additional Dune movies and perhaps some TV specials and that kind of thing.

Hunchback Jack wrote:I'm seriously waiting for the Dune movie novelization by BH and KJA. It's just the kind of thing they would try to get away with.

HBJ

Hunchback Jack wrote:I'm seriously waiting for the Dune movie novelization by BH and KJA. It's just the kind of thing they would try to get away with.

HBJ