Re: Winds of Dune: a complete non-event
Posted: 25 Aug 2009 15:48
I posted it just before I posted it here, it says it takes up to 48 hours to show up although I don't remember it taking more than a few hours before if not instantly.
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This is one of the main things that irked me while reading Cunters and Sadworms (the only two McDune's I've read). It annoyed the hell out of me that it took Duncan and Teg (both kick-ass mentats) TWO BOOKS to figure out who was sabotaging the no-ship. It was so stupidly obvious that I almost yelled right at the page "It's Face Dancers from that stupid Handler planet, you idiots!" Not only is Duncan a notoriously-skilled mentat, but he's supposed to be the most awesomest Kwizats Haderach ever! And he can't figure out what the reader finds painfully obvious?Ampoliros wrote:Duncan and Gurney know there is only 1 method of travel in the Duniverse: The Guild. Bronso's pamphlets appear magically in people's luggage after traveling on Guild Ships. It takes a Human Computer and a Security Expert 370 pages out of a 400 page novel to figure out that the crews are in league with Bronso, even after Gurney witnesses a crewman planting a pamphlet in the first 20 pages. That's like getting off a plane flight and finding a package of salted peanuts in your bag and not having the mental computation power to realize where it came from.
Especially considering that the Rabbi and Hawat became separated from the others during their stop on the planet. That case would be so obvious Sherlock Holmes would've rejected it.Drunken Idaho wrote:This is one of the main things that irked me while reading Cunters and Sadworms (the only two McDune's I've read). It annoyed the hell out of me that it took Duncan and Teg (both kick-ass mentats) TWO BOOKS to figure out who was sabotaging the no-ship. It was so stupidly obvious that I almost yelled right at the page "It's Face Dancers from that stupid Handler planet, you idiots!" Not only is Duncan a notoriously-skilled mentat, but he's supposed to be the most awesomest Kwizats Haderach ever! And he can't figure out what the reader finds painfully obvious?Ampoliros wrote:Duncan and Gurney know there is only 1 method of travel in the Duniverse: The Guild. Bronso's pamphlets appear magically in people's luggage after traveling on Guild Ships. It takes a Human Computer and a Security Expert 370 pages out of a 400 page novel to figure out that the crews are in league with Bronso, even after Gurney witnesses a crewman planting a pamphlet in the first 20 pages. That's like getting off a plane flight and finding a package of salted peanuts in your bag and not having the mental computation power to realize where it came from.
I know - this is one of the most blatant - inexplainable cases of poor fiction writing to date.Slugger wrote:Especially considering that the Rabbi and Hawat became separated from the others during their stop on the planet. That case would be so obvious Sherlock Holmes would've rejected it.Drunken Idaho wrote:This is one of the main things that irked me while reading Cunters and Sadworms (the only two McDune's I've read). It annoyed the hell out of me that it took Duncan and Teg (both kick-ass mentats) TWO BOOKS to figure out who was sabotaging the no-ship. It was so stupidly obvious that I almost yelled right at the page "It's Face Dancers from that stupid Handler planet, you idiots!" Not only is Duncan a notoriously-skilled mentat, but he's supposed to be the most awesomest Kwizats Haderach ever! And he can't figure out what the reader finds painfully obvious?Ampoliros wrote:Duncan and Gurney know there is only 1 method of travel in the Duniverse: The Guild. Bronso's pamphlets appear magically in people's luggage after traveling on Guild Ships. It takes a Human Computer and a Security Expert 370 pages out of a 400 page novel to figure out that the crews are in league with Bronso, even after Gurney witnesses a crewman planting a pamphlet in the first 20 pages. That's like getting off a plane flight and finding a package of salted peanuts in your bag and not having the mental computation power to realize where it came from.
No, that he expects US to think that.Slugger wrote:What's even more insulting is that KJA himself thinks this is good writing.
Half to play devils advocate and half out of curiosity, can someone provide a context for these Amazon.com "sales rankings"? It'd be great if these rankings really were as bad as they sound, but without any kind of guide I can't really get all that excited. For example, I know how the box office works and all the hidden costs associated with different types of films. Thus, I've got some context for how much business a given movie should be doing. If someone says "Wow, business just dropped off 59% for G.I. Joe's second week" I know exactly what that means in respect to the larger picture (and it ain't good for a picture of that type; yahoo!). Moral of the story: it's not just a random statistic.TheDukester wrote:Amazon sales rank: #1,625.
I figure KJA doesn't demand a very large advance. He probably accepts a moderate advance combined with a percentage of the sales to keep him going. It's why he writes so many damn books in one year!TheDukester wrote:Amazon sales rank: #1,625.
Game over. Complete failure. And if either Hacky or Bobo think that their ridiculous Hellhole nonsense is going to do any better, they are even more delusional than originally thought.
KJA must work cheaply. He's racking up failure after failure, yet he still gets new deals. The only way it makes any sense is if the publishers know he'll accept a smaller slice of the pie.
Eerie similarities to The Phantom Menace there:Hunchback Jack wrote:Not that surprising when it was the first Dune book in 15-odd years, that it was supposed to be based on FH's notes, and no one had read it yet.
That follows, but I was actually hoping for more detail than that. This does provide a context for Winds of Dune relative to other Dune prequels and that's good. However, this information doesn't provide a lot of scope beyond that. We don't even know how well McDune does relative to other exploitation publications, like Star Trek or Star Wars for example. But you're right that Amazon.com is just one retailer (which happens to be the biggest online retailer), so it's not exactly the one source for accurate data. But I don't believe the publishing industry even has anything to accurately track sales. I don't think they ever have. Perhaps technology will change that, but I still think they are in the dark ages when it comes to figures. Anyway...TheDukester wrote:That figure is its current sales rank for books only. I don't think there's a "mixed list" at Amazon; it would be kind of silly to measure books against CDs against garden tools, etc., etc.
It's a horrible figure for a book released 22 days ago with a big "DUNE" on the cover, written by a self-promoting "best-selling author", and benefitting from a decent marketing push. By way of comparison, I think Sandworms debuted at like #3 or #4, stayed in the top 100 for many weeks, and still managed to stay in the top 1,000 long after its debut. Winds basically never cracked the top 100 and has mostly been in the high hundreds ... and now is dropping like a rock. (Hunters and Paul also did reasonably well using the Amazon metric; before that, I wasn't really paying attention).
Taken by itself, I wouldn't put too much stock in the Amazon ranking; Amazon is a pretty big place, after all. Combined with its poor performance on the various best-seller charts, though, I see a pattern emerging of declining sales. And declining interest, which is just as deadly to a continuing series.
I'm really not sure what you're looking for, then.GamePlayer wrote:That follows, but I was actually hoping for more detail than that.
Buy it and then return it in front of them...drat, I should've did that when they came to Pittsburgh.Nebiros wrote:I will try to attend one of their book signings on the Throne of Dune tour two years from now. I'm not worried about adding a little money in their pockets by buying Throne of Dune because I never bought Paul of Dune or Winds and also knowing that sales of their books are in decline anyway. Plus it's the only way I can ask Brian and Kevin the question about the ending of Sandworms since getting Kevin's or Brian's address would mean joining some stupid fan club.
This is VERY good news <rubs hands together>. This downward trend hopefully will continue with the next book and will convince the HLP to scrap the proposed series of "Great School" books.TheDukester wrote:It's official: Jessica's Wind on Dune is no longer on the N.Y. Times list, even in the "sort-of selling" part:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/books ... &ref=books" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And the Pauline of Dune paperback (released on the same day) is off that list, too:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/books ... bestseller" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A terrible performance for both books, by any measure. Fail, fail, fail.