redbugpest wrote:...
I have consistently said that they are not anything like FH’s Dune, and feel that they are good in their own standing as SF books.
That's fine. I can respect that opinion. I like books that others do not.
As for the items that you list as inconsistencies and contradictions with canon, all I can say is this:
Not every Item is integral to the overall plot, so something like the data packet issue, to me, is not worth bothering about, because it is obvious that the author intended that the signal be received at a later time through some device. It was clear early on that Omnius would be the intended final antagonist.
Yet shouldn't it be believable to some extent? I am NOT a professional writer, but I do enjoy writing. I have been doing some for an RPG over at Worm's Sci-Fi Haven and I know for me personally-- I have tried to make what I've written so far at least 'somewhat' believable. Yes, it is great to use your imagination, but that imagination needs something to feed off of. I'm all for not worrying about every 'little' details. But when something is not ‘so little’ it can distract from the story and take from the enjoyment one might have gathered otherwise.
Some inconsistencies are going to appear in just about any book of any genre, I have enough imagination to see something that may have been an editing miss and just fill it in with what I felt the author intended and move on (like the disappearing / reappearing arm).
Ok...here, forgive me but I've got to point this out---inconsistencies and mistakes are not necessarily the same thing in my opinion. Mistakes are made... I totally agree with that. Typos, poor proof readings and so on and so forth. Mistakes are simple things. And I will admit that mistakes can even include inconsistencies, yet when those inconsistencies are so blatantly different from what was previously established then it is no longer a ‘mistake.’ I believe it is those types of inconsistencies that rile some Dune fans. The apparently BLATANT disregard for established information.
KJA / BH really do not have the same vision as FH had, and that will inevitably lead to items that do not “feel” right, or may take a stretch of the imagination. That would be the same with any author who would choose to write in the Dune Universe, just as I am seeing with Greg Bear in Foundation. He is not being as true to Asimov’s universe as I would like so far.
Then why claim they are carrying on Frank’s work? If they have a different vision then bill it as a NEW Dune universe not the supposedly just filling in the gaps left by Frank. (And if they have not claimed to be doing this, then I apologize for making the assumption.)
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I cannot condone SC and some others activities, because they strike me as being in line with the type of extremist ideology that plagues the world today. The “if you do not agree with me I am going to call you names” thing really just removes credibility. I do not have much tolerance for that kind of stupid shit.
Yet you have engaged in the same behavior. Where I come from, that’s “the pot calling the kettle black.” I welcomed you just like any other new member. I have tried to extend the same courtesy to you that I would extend to any member here. The same courtesy that I would like to have extended to me. I asked you, in what I hope was a polite manner, for a civilized debate on the KJA books. “Treat me like a newbie to KJA” I think was the wording I used. I have yet to see that request answered.
In the beginning you did speak nice to me and for that I thank you, yet it wasn’t all that long ago that you implied that ALL here were closed minded and would not give you a fair shot. (not the exact words I know and unfortunately I can’t find the exact posts at this time) Well I am a member here…did that little remark include me as well?
Yes, I wish the guys wouldn’t use some of the language they use sometimes, but we are all adults here. But I have found some of your posts and languages just as offensive if not more so. I know there is no love lost between you and Chig. That is between the two of you, but from my perspective, you seemed to have come here with a chip on your shoulder.
You don’t know me and I don’t know you, but for the short amount of time I’ve been a member here I think the men and women here have learned me well enough to be able to tell you that it takes a lot to get under my skin.
Well you can call it pmsing, bitching, or whatever you what to, but congratulations RedBug…you are well on your way to accomplishing that feat. Maybe it’s just because it’s 2:30 a.m. here and I’ve been up for about 20 hours on just 4 hours of sleep. And if that turns out to be the case then I guess I owe you and my friends here for my unbecoming behavior and language.
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Last thing before I call it a night.
I can stand the heat, and will continue to come back here, if you want to have a true dialog on some of these issues. Don’t ask or expect me to explain every little inconsistency as:
1. I didn’t write the books
2. I don’t have all the answers
3. I do not EVER pass notes or play as a go between with KJA or HLP
4. I do not have a ton of excess time.
I work, I go to school full time, I have a family. All of that comes before this and my other interests.
RBP
I would still like for you to come back and have true dialog. I believe the others would also welcome some true dialog, and I don't think any of them expect you to have all the answers. I, however, do have a request: take that chip off your shoulder.
I consider these guys and gals my friends, especially Chig, Schu, Trang, Omph, Nek, Mandy, Nymph, HBJ, Rob, Duke, Freak, Amp, GP, Thing, Tlezar, and many others. I even like SandRider a lot.
I can be friends with a lot a people at the same time. I can like all different types of people, it doesn’t mater to me. But what I don’t like is when people make uncalled for attacks against my friends.
In every welcome I give I try to remember to add this line: “look forward to getting to know you better.” That is not just a filler, I mean it when I write it. I would still like to get to know the real you better, the one not clouded by the anger, so how about it? A fresh start. A clean plate. Open and honest discussions of the books that we (the members of this board) seem to like and/or love.
SandRider’s invite got you over here, I would like to extend you another invite. If you like the Sci-fi genre, the check out
Worm’s Sci-Fi Haven. But I warn you, foul language is
not welcome over there.