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Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 05 May 2009 14:59
by SwordMaster
SandChigger wrote:(Krill?
)
KRULL!!!
SwordMaster nailed it with the last bit there: turning a person into an animal is MAGIC. No way that can ever be science fiction.
(FH was turning a man into a giant worm, but he did it slowly and it was never described as anything but a physical, biological process of symbiosis/hybridization. Contrast that with the ugly dwarf princess Norma in the McDune fantasies who somehow rebuilds a body from the cloud of vaporized plasma that used to be her old body. There's no hint of an explanation of how that would even be possible ... no mention of plausible physical process. It's MAGIC!
)
Yeah well said. Norma is the wizzard of McDune. Poof! Im a time oracle!
Also with the worm tramformation, Leto never becomes 100% worm or 100% human, something in between and also guild navigators were MUTATED through the spice gas, over time. Did FH ever even write anything about time travel or minipulating the time line... like ever?
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 05 May 2009 15:01
by SadisticCynic
Nobody violated causality, the only manipulation of Time was with the future.
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 05 May 2009 15:06
by Freakzilla
Against this, Leto held the multi-thread reins, balanced in his own visionlighted
view of time as multilinear and multilooped. He was the sighted man in
the universe of the blind. Only he could scatter the orderly rationale because
his father no longer held the reins. In Leto's view, a son had altered the past.
And a thought as yet undreamed in the farthest future could reflect upon the now
and move his hand.
~Children of Dune
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 05 May 2009 15:06
by SwordMaster
SadisticCynic wrote:Nobody violated causality, the only manipulation of Time was with the future.
I should have asked did FH ever fool about with the concept of time travel?
I think it is no
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 05 May 2009 15:16
by SadisticCynic
Freakzilla wrote:Against this, Leto held the multi-thread reins, balanced in his own visionlighted
view of time as multilinear and multilooped. He was the sighted man in
the universe of the blind. Only he could scatter the orderly rationale because
his father no longer held the reins. In Leto's view, a son had altered the past.
And a thought as yet undreamed in the farthest future could reflect upon the now
and move his hand.
~Children of Dune
That's a difficult one to unravel. Especially
In Leto's view, a son had altered the past.
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 05 May 2009 15:18
by Freakzilla
Yeah, you can say that it's relative.
It's difficult to think of this in non-linear terms. Per FH, there is no seperation of past-present-future. One changes and they all change.
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 05 May 2009 15:23
by SadisticCynic
Freakzilla wrote:Yeah, you can say that it's relative.
It's difficult to think of this in non-linear terms. Per FH, there is no seperation of past-present-future. One changes and they all change.
Hmm, this sounds like what we've said in the Limits of Logic thread, about the foundation changing. Interesting.
Also, its hard to think about anything in non-linear terms, I imagine that's why its called chaos theory
.
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 06 May 2009 07:18
by trang
I watched yesterday.. for a fan fiction film.. was good. As for some of other folks lack of interest in fantasy.. can understand, but I enjoy it also.
Could list a whole bunch to wet your pallets. I actually never read earthsea. Some of my favorites:
Dave Eddings works: The Belgariad , The Mallorian, The Tamuli, The Ellinium. All three or five books per.
Stephen R. Donaldson, The Chronicles of Thomas Covenent.
Robert Silverberg, Lord Valentines Castle
Frietz Leiber, Fahfred and Grey Mouser
Roger Zelazney, Chronicles of Amber
Robert Howerd, Conan stories
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 06 May 2009 08:41
by SadisticCynic
I once tried the Thomas Covenant books; I couldn't get past the first one. I'm afraid they simply bored me.
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 06 May 2009 10:07
by Apjak
SandChigger wrote:
SwordMaster nailed it with the last bit there: turning a person into an animal is MAGIC. No way that can ever be science fiction.
Never say never ever. It isn't science, much less science fiction to ever state a universal negative.
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 06 May 2009 11:27
by SadisticCynic
Just watched the film and I thought it was quite well done for a fan film. Few inconsistancies here and there but overall I liked it.
Re: The Hunt For Gollum
Posted: 06 May 2009 13:36
by GamePlayer
Little bit from NPR about the release. But it's a bit old.
http://www.npr.org/templates/player/med ... =103675964
Enjoy.