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Idahopotato wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Idahopotato wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Idahopotato wrote:Yes, but those people had financial backing from merchants and nobles. Not too many merchants and nobles were willing to front a messianic journey. Especially considering a wealthy segment of Jews were vehemently against it.
And it wasn't so much that food was bland, but rather to mask the fact that they lacked refrigeration. It is much more palatable to each rotten food with a healthy dose of "spice" added.

Man, am I not allowed to make jokes on this site or something?!
And yes, spices were needed to cover up the rotting flavour, but let's face it, most European food is pretty tame, even the good stuff.

I thought I was being funny too, but obviously not. In my head, I picture a ragged character asking kings, noblemen and merchants for a loan to spread the word. After the laughter stops, I see a pouting Jesus stomp his feat and say "but, but, but I am the Messiah!"
And let's not lump European food together like that. As a former chef, I had opportunities to try just about every type of food known to man (to be fair, some of the type of food that one would almost never see came from my Ranger days). It is the English, German and Northern European food that suck. Well I shouldn't say sucks, as many people prefer bland food. The French have some pretty good food, as do the Italians (especially Piedmont region), but I prefer the Spanish. Ah but I guess food should get its own topic.

Fair enough, the people in the mediterranean do have some pretty good food, and the French did come up with some of my favourites. But honestly, compare any of that with most Indian dishes and they could still be considered on the bland side (not really bland to me admittedly, but people from India would think it's pretty tame).

And yes, this is becoming extremely derailing to this already derailed thread!

Well it isn't really fair to compare the complexity of any cuisine to Indian, as it is the most complex cuisine there is. That is like comparing Paul's prescience with a standard citizen, or perhaps comparing the Fremen fighting ability with the Harkonnens. Thai would be a distant second (kind of like Saurdakar I guess).

Kensai wrote:I always thought this was weird seeing as the Tleilaxu were mega chauvinists where as Letto II advocated matriarchy.

Chauvinism, in its original and primary meaning, is an exaggerated, bellicose patriotism and a blind belief in national superiority and glory

Misogyny , is hatred (or contempt) of women or girls.

lotek wrote:Were did you see something that would imply there were women anywhere in the Tleilax society?(apart form the tanks)
I never got that impression but I could be mistaken

I thought the Masters used Face Dancers for their sexual needs
(but that comes from that bit where one of the Masters tries sexual highs with a FD that has imprinted a Honoured Matre, and barely manages to kill it)

lotek wrote:I'd have some comments on this but they would include spoilers of Chapterhouse so before I carry on just let me know if you've read it

And I found an interesting quote about Tleilax female in Heretics, as soon as I finished my DIY I'll post it

Kensai wrote:I was on about real life, not in the context of Dune. Ever heard of Seperationist Femminism? Its essentially a bunch of men hating skanks living in a comune without men. If you read some of the shit they wright (SCUM manifesto fo example), you kind of think to yourself thank god they don't have an army.

Kensai wrote: What if a bunch of Fish Speakers thought like that? "Men are self destructive, so why do we need them".

lotek wrote:Were did you see something that would imply there were women anywhere in the Tleilax society?(apart form the tanks)
I never got that impression but I could be mistaken

Heretics of Dune wrote:It was proper that even Waff, the most powerful of all Tleilaxu, could not leave his world and be readmitted without abasing himself in the ghufran, begging pardon for contact with the unimaginable sins of aliens. To go out among the powindah could soil even the mightiest. The khasadars who policed all Tleilaxu frontiers and guarded the selamliks of the women were right to suspect even Waff. He was of the people and the kehl, yes, but he must prove it each time he left the heartland and returned, and certainly every time he entered the selamlik for the distribution of his sperm.

MrFlibble wrote:

lotek wrote:Were did you see something that would imply there were women anywhere in the Tleilax society?(apart form the tanks)
I never got that impression but I could be mistaken

Heretics of Dune wrote:It was proper that even Waff, the most powerful of all Tleilaxu, could not leave his world and be readmitted without abasing himself in the ghufran, begging pardon for contact with the unimaginable sins of aliens. To go out among the powindah could soil even the mightiest. The khasadars who policed all Tleilaxu frontiers and guarded the selamliks of the women were right to suspect even Waff. He was of the people and the kehl, yes, but he must prove it each time he left the heartland and returned, and certainly every time he entered the selamlik for the distribution of his sperm.

MrFlibble wrote:

lotek wrote:Were did you see something that would imply there were women anywhere in the Tleilax society?(apart form the tanks)
I never got that impression but I could be mistaken

Heretics of Dune wrote:It was proper that even Waff, the most powerful of all Tleilaxu, could not leave his world and be readmitted without abasing himself in the ghufran, begging pardon for contact with the unimaginable sins of aliens. To go out among the powindah could soil even the mightiest. The khasadars who policed all Tleilaxu frontiers and guarded the selamliks of the women were right to suspect even Waff. He was of the people and the kehl, yes, but he must prove it each time he left the heartland and returned, and certainly every time he entered the selamlik for the distribution of his sperm.

Serkanner wrote:Hmmm ... the Turkish word Selamlik is the opposite of Harem, so meant for men and not women.

lotek wrote:well it says what you said it would

Omphalos wrote:There is a selamlik in Topkapi palace in Istanbul, in case anyone is interested.

Kensai wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

merkin muffley wrote:

Kensai wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

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