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Posted: 14 Apr 2015 22:56
KJA ended up being nominated because he was the choice of the Sad Puppies twats who are trying to fuck with the Hugo's because they think fandom is too liberal.
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I imagine everyone is too liberal for those guys. Here's a sample of the guy who came up with the list that dominated the Hugos.Robspierre wrote:KJA ended up being nominated because he was the choice of the Sad Puppies twats who are trying to fuck with the Hugo's because they think fandom is too liberal.
Yep, to him, a woman's place is in the home, not getting educated. Considering their attitude to things that, to most people, were adequately settled one hundred years ago, you can imagine their attitude towards things that are still under debate. His whole blog is like a parade of trans-batshit opinions. Nuts.One wonders how low birth rates have to fall in civilized countries before the elites begin to realize that the Taliban may not, in fact, be the stupid ones with regards to this particular matter (...) But there is no empirical evidence indicating that female education is societally beneficial, and there is an increasing amount of evidence that correlates it with a broad range of societal ills.
Never heard of Vox Day before now.Naïve mind wrote:I imagine everyone is too liberal for those guys. Here's a sample of the guy who came up with the list that dominated the Hugos.Robspierre wrote:KJA ended up being nominated because he was the choice of the Sad Puppies twats who are trying to fuck with the Hugo's because they think fandom is too liberal.
The cost of educating womenYep, to him, a woman's place is in the home, not getting educated. Considering their attitude to things that, to most people, were adequately settled one hundred years ago, you can imagine their attitude towards things that are still under debate. His whole blog is like a parade of trans-batshit opinions. Nuts.One wonders how low birth rates have to fall in civilized countries before the elites begin to realize that the Taliban may not, in fact, be the stupid ones with regards to this particular matter (...) But there is no empirical evidence indicating that female education is societally beneficial, and there is an increasing amount of evidence that correlates it with a broad range of societal ills.
In 2013 Beale ran unsuccessfully to succeed John Scalzi as president of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA). Later in 2013, he was investigated by the Board, who subsequently voted to expel him from the organization.[19] Beale maintains that the vote does not signify his expulsion from the organization.[20]
Beale is opposed to feminism,[32] writing that "I very much like women and wish them well, which is precisely why I consider women’s rights to be a disease that should be eradicated. For what is rather more difficult to dismiss are the simple and easily verifiable facts that indicate women have seldom been less able to pursue their dreams and less able to achieve their desires than today, the Golden Age of Feminism."[33]
He has compared immigration into the US by Mexicans and others with a military invasion,[34] specifically to Operation Barbarossa: "The Mexican invasion of the United States is ten times larger in scope than Operation Barbarossa, and especially in a quasi-democracy where voting rights are quickly and readily granted, a free trade-led invasion and occupation will lead to the political subjugation of the invaded that will last longer and can be more oppressive than an actual military occupation. Most of the 3.9 million Axis soldiers who invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 never fired a shot and the only substantive difference between a military invasion and a labor invasion is the failure to react by the government of the invaded nation."[35]
Feud with John Scalzi[edit]
Since 2005, Beale has been engaged in an online feud with science fiction writer John Scalzi. In February 2013, Scalzi attracted media attention with a pledge to pay $5 to various charities and nonprofit advocacy organizations every time Beale mentioned him; after others echoed this pledge, over $50,000 was pledged in under a week.[31]
Conflict with the SFWA[edit]
In June 2013, Beale used the SFWAuthors Twitter feed to post a link to his blog, in which he referred to African-American author N. K. Jemisin as "an educated, but ignorant half-savage, with little more understanding of what it took to build a new literature" [36] and Teresa Nielsen Hayden as a "fat frog."[37] In August, after complaints from members and an investigation initiated by the board of the SFWA, Beale posted an excerpt of a letter from the SFWA president on his blog.[37] Jemisin later commented that "if you represent the civilization to which I’m supposed to aspire then I am all savage, and damned proud of it."[38]
His political views are certainly very far removed from the (American) mainstream. If you had a novel nominated for a Hugo mostly because of the endorsement of someone who is openly white nationalist, you'd expect some embarassment about it.Lawliet wrote:That Vox Day guy is an asshole.
Larry Correia came up with the 'Sad Puppies' list; Vox Day came up with his more radical 'Rabid Puppies' list, which mostly contains titles from his own publishing house. If you look at the Hugo nominations, it's the 'Rabid Puppies' list, not the 'Sad Puppies'.Sardaukar Capt wrote:Vox Day is a moron and parasite but I don't think he's an organizer from what I read so I wouldn't condemn the whole group/movement just because that leach latched on because he sees them as "against Scalzi" and he hates Scalzi's guts.
Sardaukar Capt wrote:I think you are giving the Hugos too much credit. It's a fan voted award. It's the "Peoples Choice Award" of the sci-fi world. If you are looking for quality vs popularity or Oscar type comparison, you should look at the Nebula which is voted on by the Sci-Fi & Fantasy Writers of America. It's a peer voted on reward. Not something voted on by paying members of the World Sci-Fi Convention of who anyone can join. While it might have been prestigious at one time, I think the Hugos have been ruined by all the slate campaigning by all sides over the past decade to serve their own political and social agendas over the quality of the work.
Just my opinion, but I never thought he Nebulas got it right. Well, rarely maybe. But the winners of that award are usually too esoteric. I think authors generally look at a limited number of factors; I think they tend to select winners based on how much they want to be like the authors who penned them. They look at things that I think are more important to mainstream literature, such as character, setting, conflict, literary quality, etc. I think that they tend to ignore all the other important factors such as plot and the use of SF themes. I also do think that popularity does have a role, but should not play a deciding one.Ampoliros wrote:Sardaukar Capt wrote:I think you are giving the Hugos too much credit. It's a fan voted award. It's the "Peoples Choice Award" of the sci-fi world. If you are looking for quality vs popularity or Oscar type comparison, you should look at the Nebula which is voted on by the Sci-Fi & Fantasy Writers of America. It's a peer voted on reward. Not something voted on by paying members of the World Sci-Fi Convention of who anyone can join. While it might have been prestigious at one time, I think the Hugos have been ruined by all the slate campaigning by all sides over the past decade to serve their own political and social agendas over the quality of the work.
Good point, its possible I was confusing the two. And I have to agree with Omph, any prestige the award has is now squandered.
I've been looking at the list of past winners as well, and I find I mostly 'agree' that the winners are deserving until the 80s or 90s. Occasionally, it's obvious that the Hugo was awarded to an author rather than to a novel, but that's a minor thing. But I have to ask myself if I agree because the Hugo winning novels from those years have entered the canon as 'classics', and have remained in print and in libraries for far longer.Hunchback Jack wrote:I agree that for a long time the Hugo's got it right - and by that, I mean they not only recognized the best SF of the year - in noms, if not the winners
And that's from a 3-star review."I'm not sure if I've grown as a reader (since reading the original Saga, which I LOVED) and gotten used to ridiculously complex novels like Weber's Safehold series, or if Mr. Anderson has started writing for a younger audience, or what, but this book seemed way too simple and straightforward to me. It felt like pop music - generic, simple, and difficult to enjoy but even so, kinda catchy.
I could recommend it for readers who prefer to keep things simple or teenagers. I can also see it being a good audiobook."
Kevin's work dumbs down the readers, so each book may be its own self fulfilling prophecy. Idiocracy, here we come!Ampoliros wrote:It would always be an outlier, even people unaware of his writing make the same points over and over, even for his "Hugo nominated" book:
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And that's from a 3-star review."I'm not sure if I've grown as a reader (since reading the original Saga, which I LOVED) and gotten used to ridiculously complex novels like Weber's Safehold series, or if Mr. Anderson has started writing for a younger audience, or what, but this book seemed way too simple and straightforward to me. It felt like pop music - generic, simple, and difficult to enjoy but even so, kinda catchy.
I could recommend it for readers who prefer to keep things simple or teenagers. I can also see it being a good audiobook."
Even when one of his books stumbles across something that might actually make interesting speculative fiction, it deals with it as if it was an episode of Teletubbies, bright lights and fast moving objects overshadow it all. When he isn't just going full on gore pornish to pretend its 'edgy' or mature.
500 years from now when curators are digging through past awards and classic sci-fi, KJA will still be a joke. You can disagree with another books premise or style or even its marginal quality, but the Hack's books are on their own level of terrible from virtually every angle.
That curator a half millenia in the future would certainly end up checking out how such an outlier was chosen.
Sorry but, is this a joke? Anderson nominated for any award other than the Kevin J. Anderson Award for Punctuality in Submissions?Hunchback Jack wrote:Would he have been nominated anyway? Impossible to tell,