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chanilover wrote:'puta' means 'bitch, 'puto' can mean fairy or poof but it's also another word for 'cabron' as in 'bastard' or 'sod'

Thanks, but I wasn't terribly worried about the fine semantic details.

Deja vu big time, I swear these last 10 posts have happened before...

cmsahe wrote:

chanilover wrote:
Poor Arnoloco de Puercas Sin Cojones. He tries to secretly insult people in one of the most widely spoken languages on the planet.

I can't believe it (well, I'm reading it ain't I?) that's so coward (arnoldo insulting in spanish) and if you excuse me I think that Arnoldo es un pinche maricón, de seguro trae un palo metido por el culo.

Arnoloco suele decir que es azteco, cuando no esta lamiendo el culo de Byron.

SandChigger wrote:

chanilover wrote:'puta' means 'bitch, 'puto' can mean fairy or poof but it's also another word for 'cabron' as in 'bastard' or 'sod'

Thanks, but I wasn't terribly worried about the fine semantic details.

It's not that fine a distinction. Puto is a pejorative Mexican word for a gay. He's so fucking spineless he can't even say it in English.

cmsahe wrote:Well maybe Byron will like the analogy, alert Pinky & the Brain and then they will convince Peter Berg to cast Michael Jackson for the role of Duncan Idaho!

Peter Berg will actually cast Will Smith as Duncan Idaho, you can bet on that.

Moolay Cow Bell wrote:I'll get back to you on that I'm gonna re-read the first few pages again.

There was a saying from Confucius that went along the lines of: "The master can explain the answer in one simple sentence."

Since this question has been asked by our newest poster Mentat Assassain let's leave it to him to choose the answer. The way I see it anything and everything in Franks writing is open for interpretation and discussion not just one answer and definition for everything.

I have always viewed the Bene Gesserit in a positive light and as the main driving force and heroes while lots see them as the villains and problem makers. I see the Tleilaxu in an unbiased scope while everyone else is disgusted and repulsed by them (primarily female fans due to the axlotl tanks) we all have our own scopes to view Franks writing and thats the beauty of his books. Of course you're gonna say I'm wrong and that I'm "blabbering" but that's your bias/scope you see things through, but does it make everything true? Is everyone going to see your out look valid?

Jesus Christ the dude doesn't like to admit he's wrong.

Schu wrote:Some things are open to interpretation based on one's bias or whatever. Some things are directly stated. This one is all but directly stated, with very little interpretation needed, so re-reading the relevant part should help here.

FYI, I don't know anyone that saw the Bene Gesserit as the villains, especially in the later books. They're a lot more complex than mere heroes or villains throughout the series.

How you can say that you view the Tleilaxu "in an unbiased scope" and then go on to say "we all have our own scopes to view Franks writing" I'll never know.... don't you think that's a little bit contradictory?

I thought Bellend Moulay was a sockpuppet at first, but then I remembered how Dunenovels seems to attract an almost infinite range of idiocy. They seem to swarm in like moths to the flame, or flies around shit.

Speaking of someone on the leading cusp of idiocy, my favorite, NEWFACEDANCER!!!

Tension is a necessary component in transformation. Carl Jung used the term tension of opposites to refer phenomenon like the burning bush. The fire burns but the bush is not consumed. This denotes the presence of God. when one can hold the tension of opposites in ones being one can have an experience of transformation of consciences.

I remember going to this dance one time and getting wasted and discovering the fire down below with this girl who looked cute at the time but she must have had something nasty in her bush because a few days later I started getting this persistent burning....

Different religions which invoke spirit and facilitate its experience are containers for individuals to transform their consciences.

And the chalice from the palace holds a potion full of malice.
But the vessel with the pestle holds the brew that is true!

Nature is one example of the tensions of opposites. The plants and animals are struggling to survive yet at the same time one can feel a sense of peace while in out in it.

And since I get the sense that you are most often out of it when in it, I'll take your word for this one.

I have found this alchemy also applies to other areas of life such as agriculture. I have found when I mixed crushed magnetic rock to compost it produce an excellent fertilizer. Organic matter is non-magnetic. Something mysterious happens when the two opposites are combined.

Every spring during the first full moon I go out and dig a hole in the garden and ... fill in the hole ... if you know what I mean. (Like I wrote in another thread: fuck the Earth!) It's about planting your seed early, after all.

The book Secrets of the Soil, by Peter Tompkins, goes in to a lot more detail about this subject.

Exactly! That's where I read about it!




Oh yeah, in an attempt to show how relevant she is and HOW MUCH DUNE SHE HAS TO CONTRIBUTE, Hyppanalia has started a "If GEoD were made into a movie, who would you cast?" thread.

Yawn. Enough with movie casting threads already. Fu-u-uck.

SandChigger wrote: And the chalice from the palace holds a potion full of malice.
But the vessel with the pestle holds the brew that is true!

I love that movie!

DENNY CRANE!

Er, I mean,

DANNY KAYE!


I never can keep the routine straight, though. Wikipedia has this on The Court Jester page:

Hawkins: I've got it! The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true! Right?
Griselda: Right! -- but there's been a change: they broke the chalice from the palace...
Hawkins: They broke the chalice from the palace?
Griselda: ...and replaced it. With a flagon.
Hawkins: A flagon?
Griselda: With the figure of a dragon.
Hawkins: Flagon with a dragon.
Griselda: Right.
Hawkins: ...but did you put the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?
Griselda: No! The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon! The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!
Hawkins: The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.
Griselda: Just remember that!

SandChigger wrote:DENNY CRANE!

Off topic, but sometimes the right bit of casting turns a good show into a great show. Shatner holds nothing back when he plays Denny Crane. It's great to see him have such a successful comeback.

HBJ

I love that show. And Shatner's hilarious in it. (I think we're just in the 3rd season over here. Last night was the office costume party where Denny is Dick Cheney and Alan is done up like Shirley and it ends with them dancing on the balcony. Several good midget jokes, too! )

chanilover wrote:

cmsahe wrote:

chanilover wrote:
Poor Arnoloco de Puercas Sin Cojones. He tries to secretly insult people in one of the most widely spoken languages on the planet.

I can't believe it (well, I'm reading it ain't I?) that's so coward (arnoldo insulting in spanish) and if you excuse me I think that Arnoldo es un pinche maricón, de seguro trae un palo metido por el culo.

Arnoloco suele decir que es azteco, cuando no esta lamiendo el culo de Byron.

He is a mexican supremacist, there is a webpage of people who claim all the west and south of the US as Aztlan, (the mythological place of origin of the Aztec tribe) Arnoldo has in his profile:

Location: Aztlan

Well everyone knows that Mexico will absorb the US and Canada via the NAFTA and now the Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America

Arnoloco is obsessed with Aztecs. I made fun of him about it once and he sent me a PM saying the Aztecs came from Asia, maybe even from the Philippines so we might share common ancestors. Fucking prick.

Well, we all share common ancestors if you go back far enough. Not that far, either.

HBJ

chanilover wrote:Arnoloco is obsessed with Aztecs. I made fun of him about it once and he sent me a PM saying the Aztecs came from Asia, maybe even from the Philippines so we might share common ancestors. Fucking prick.

The poor fool! If we go back in geological time we can trace our common ancestors to a region in east africa around the Turkana Lake in Kenya. The Golden Path has been going on for millions of years

Sorry, gotta call improper use of terminology there.

SandChigger wrote:Sorry, gotta call improper use of terminology there.

Because he forgot to say that God started it all?

Omphalos wrote:

SandChigger wrote:Sorry, gotta call improper use of terminology there.

Because he forgot to say that God started it all?

No, because the implication from all of this is that we share a common heritage with The Beast Of Red Deer, aka La Cochonne Au Vagin Fletri.

chanilover wrote:

Omphalos wrote:

SandChigger wrote:Sorry, gotta call improper use of terminology there.

Because he forgot to say that God started it all?

No, because the implication from all of this is that we share a common heritage with The Beast Of Red Deer, aka La Cochonne Au Vagin Fletri.

Bless you, CL...

Attention Cow of Deer (Kuntele/Hypatia), re the GEoD movie casting thread on Dumb Novels:

His first view of Hwi Noree revealed a remarkable likeness to her Uncle Malky, but her grave movements and the calmness of her stride were equally remarkable in their difference from Malky. She did have that dark skin, though, the oval face with its regular features. Placid brown eyes stared back at Leto. And where Malky's hair had been gray, hers was a luminous brown. Hwi Noree radiated an inner peace which Leto sensed spreading its influence around her as she approached. She stopped ten paces away, below him. There was a classical balance about her, something not accidental.

It must be painful to have SO GODDAMNED MUCH DUNE TO CONTRIBUTE and only be able to squeeze out a little bit at a time. Poor baby.

Well shit.

The latest Dune Blog entry is a link to KJA's own site. How long has *that* shit been going on?

What pretense the Dune Blog had of being about Dune seems to have been cast aside. What fuckers they truly are.

HBJ

This is the third one now.

The so-called Dune Blog on the Dune Novels site has been little more than a mirror of Kevin's "blog" postings on MySpace and Wordfire for most of its existence. (There were earlier "blogs" of the tours for some of the books before Hunters and before Kevin created his MySpace account, but that's before I was paying attention to all this crap so I don't know what the relation between the content on the two sites DN & WF was like then.)

The HLP has, from the start, left the management of their website in the hands of Kevin's family. The BBS is the only feature on the site where a Herbert/Merritt exercises any direct influence on the content, and there Byron is just a lackey for the official line. Otherwise he's become a cypher like his uncle.

So maybe it's a bit too much to pile each new indignity on the HLP's heads and call them "fuckers"? They're responsible for the big betrayal of letting Kevin have control, and for apparently not doing anything to try to take back some control, of course. But I seriously doubt Kevin or Uncle Mike ran this new link-only bullshit past anyone at the HLP for approval beforehand. (Anyone competent, I mean. Maybe Kevin called up on the speaker-phone and told Brian—no doubt quivering in fear under his bed or the sofa after the phone rang—what he was planning to do?)

Gawd, it really is easy to hate these people, isn't it?

Well, I'm not sure who I meant by "they", but I get your point . I didn't realize the Dune site was managed by KJA-kin.

I'm aware that the Dune blog has had non-Dune content for most of its existence. Mirroring KJA's posts is one thing; silently linking to KJA's own site is something else. Eventually, folks wanting Dune news will go directly to KJA's site to get it.

Sorry if I'm slow on the uptake, tho.

HBJ

Sorry if that came across the wrong way; now that I've thought about it a little more, we probably should count every little transgression towards their total SIN AGAINST FRANK HERBERT. Given the situation with the site, and how's it's being run, they're more sins of omission than commission, maybe?

Kevin has mentioned his uncle, Mike Anderson, a few times over the last year or two, but if you haven't the stomach to be a regular reader of his "blogs", you might have missed it. Mike is the webmaster for the site. I did a little nosing around a long while back and discovered that when they registered the domain name, they put Rebecca down as the administrative contact. As of the last time I checked, there was not a single Herbert or Merritt name officially associated with the website. Byron made some mouthfarty noises at one time about learning more about making webpages and managing the site, but evidently nothing has come of it. To all appearances, it is still very much an Anderson-centric affair.