posts that I think will get deleted at DN

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 03 Dec 2008 01:32

And not being bothered by such things is enough to qualify one as...need I repeat it?

Lisan Al-Gaib · Post by **Lisan Al-Gaib** » 03 Dec 2008 09:00

SandChigger wrote:
Graeble over on DN wrote:...so yea teg...

no doubt it was the combination of factors stated by lisan al-gaib, but how? how did he achieve that speed? when he burns himself up in sandworms i got the feeling that he achieved what norma cenva did. in that they existed outside of their corporeal bodies. and could it be said that teg, duty and honor bound could never fathom leaving his body?

I would like to know how he could have quoted me if I'm banned from there since August...Is there another Lisan? If there is, I should meet him for kanly!

Seraphan · Post by **Seraphan** » 03 Dec 2008 10:37

Hunchback Jack wrote:
SandRider wrote:I've seen more than a
handful of PMs from Simon Over There stating that the OH cannot be
reasoned with concerning the new books
He really said that? That's disappointing. I actually think we've had some reasoned arguments, but just concluded that everything we hate about the books is stuff that doesn't bother him.

HBJ

Well in view of these recent events regarding Simon i shall, as i once stated, keep my word about people generalizing everyone into an OH like mindless zealots.
Simon, you can go fuck yourself with a pointy stick, you were given chances by members of this forum but chose to take insults from individual members and make it into a general public opinion. In light of this your apology about the whole "my review of PoD was deleted in Jacurutu" issue is meaningless, you didnt take long to treat everyone like fanatics then and you didnt take long to do so again.

A Thing of Eternity · Post by **A Thing of Eternity** » 03 Dec 2008 13:44

People love to argue with my old posts over there now that I'm gone. I've seen Byron have his way with a couple of them. Sad that they didn't get many real responses at all while I was there.

Seraphan · Post by **Seraphan** » 03 Dec 2008 14:06

A Thing of Eternity wrote:People love to argue with my old posts over there now that I'm gone. I've seen Byron have his way with a couple of them. Sad that they didn't get many real responses at all while I was there.

With your review of sandworms and hunters what is there to argue? The thing is there (or was there) for everyone to see. Byron taking shots at it is simply a drunk person trying to juggle sharp knives.

chanilover · Post by **chanilover** » 03 Dec 2008 17:46

A Thing of Eternity wrote:People love to argue with my old posts over there now that I'm gone. I've seen Byron have his way with a couple of them. Sad that they didn't get many real responses at all while I was there.

Poor Byron, waiting until you were banned to have at your old posts. I suppose that's one argument he knows he'll win.

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 03 Dec 2008 18:51

Well, it's not exactly like there are floods of interesting new posts over there for them to play with, right? And waiting breathlessly for the next update on the Ewok mustachio saga gets a bit old rather soon, you know?

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 03 Dec 2008 23:47

Oh, this is getting good! Simon answers The Graeble!

Graeble wrote:i forgot, did rekur van escape corrin? those little guys love tinkering with genetic material. if so...
how did alia get into the vladamir harkonnen ghola?
if the answer is the tleilaxu put her there, who's to say that serena "material" didnt go into a dozen or so projects as far back as the serial duncans?

ah, a tangled tachyon web we weave.

Simon wrote:That was the best I could figure. We all know the BT love to tinker with the ol' Language of God, perhaps it was the author's way of playing with that BT ambiguity used so often by FH.

Just had a thought. What if FH purposely left the BT so unexplained, so often (the much discussed Scytale "holes/gaps"), in order to leave himself a window for future inventions?

Didn't bother quoting this one yesterday:

Graeble, responding to AToE, wrote:1. BH/KA wrote that? who says it in the book? maybe it was meant as an insult to the scattering? questions within questions.

2. thats a bummer. quotes and references?

3. it might be said that in the early stages of sandtrout creating deserts out of planets there is a higher concentration of them to gather and make larger sandworms. and i suppose the pearl of leto in those worms knew to combine themselves.

Simon wrote:1.) I'm not sure who said "multi-galactic", but my view of the whole scattering is as so:

Paul must have seen the necessity for the Golden Path back during DUNE (though it isn't explicitly addressed in that volume), then he floundered in Dune Messiah but managed to keep his empire solvent (with Fremen strength) by walking into the desert. This left LetoII something to work with when his time came.

Then you have LetoII picking up the pieces in Children of Dune, where he and the reader begin to explicitly learn of the Golden Path. LetoII sets himself up as undisputed Emperor of the known universe and sets humanity on the GP.

Then fast forward to GEoD and we see the culmination of those efforts to save humanity from itself. Everything after (IMO) is irrelevant to a degree. LetoII set humanity on the Golden Path. While perhaps the humans in this/our galaxy were doomed to machine domination, or self perpetuated extinction, there were definitely humans who fled during the Scattering. Humans outside the influences of happenings in the Old Empire, folks who went multi-galactic.

I don't doubt that there are humans within the Duniverse who had gone to those places mentioned by FH, it's just that the books written post GEoD deal with the ones left in our galaxy. Also even had everything gone bad for the humans in Hunters and Sandworms, that would not have been the end of humanity as was put forth by characters in those books. LetoII's Golden Path was. While maybe the over all population would have suffered severely had Omnius succeeded, humanity would have endured, that was the beauty of the GP.

Basically, speaking chronologically, everything after GEoD is supplemental. LetoII had succeeded. While the states of life and death endured, the big threat of "having all our eggs in one basket" was put to rest by Leto's sacrifice.

2.) I got nothing. The whole space travel gap is a bit of an issue for the stickler, no doubt. I mean you have Paul threaten to destroy spice production in DUNE, the threat being that the act will cripple interstellar trade, marooning every human on their respective worlds with no viable means of reestablishing commerce. Then in LoD you have people doing all the things that are supposedly dependent on spice, I.E planet to planet trade, the League/Empire existing, etc (the only difference being the amount of time it takes to get from A to B, and of course the threat from machines). All without the supposedly essential spice melange.

But then I tell myself this: None of the authors were scientist, just guys with lively imaginations. Each one has been party to Duniverse inconsistency. You can either look at the books, new and classic, and say "Forget it" due to the lack of every element not being a perfect fit, or one could say "Over all the story is really good, so I can over look these errors".

3.) See above. This is another instance of technical error. Either your the sort who can deal, or not. For me, a misquoted measurement on a fictional creature has no effect on my outlook of the books, but that's just me.

Most accurate bit: "I got nothing."

Proof: He talks about the GP succeeding yet quotes Grunters and Sadworms, indicating he didn't get what those books were saying or ... he picking and choosing "canon". (You can do that, you see, because it's just fiction and whatever makes you, the reader, happy—whatever you can manage to wrap your head around—is all that counts.

)

Good luck, Lundse.

[HEY, SOME ADMIN! I think I put this in the wrong thread. Could someone move it to the "Defense" one? ]

TheDukester · Post by **TheDukester** » 03 Dec 2008 23:57

SandChigger wrote:Could someone move it to the "Defense" one? ][/b]

Is that the SIMON thread?

**Ba-boom-kish!**

Thank you; I'm here all week!

inhuien · Post by **inhuien** » 04 Dec 2008 05:25

Did no-one else spot the little attempt at Blackwhite newspeak by Simon there? "Then in LoD you have people doing all the things that are supposedly dependent on spice, " or maybe he just got advance copy.

Lisan Al-Gaib · Post by **Lisan Al-Gaib** » 04 Dec 2008 11:59

SandChigger wrote:
Simon wrote: But then I tell myself this: None of the authors were scientist, just guys with lively imaginations. Each one has been party to Duniverse inconsistency. You can either look at the books, new and classic, and say "Forget it" due to the lack of every element not being a perfect fit, or one could say "Over all the story is really good, so I can over look these errors".

Hadn't Kevin got physics' graduation level? I know he didn't learned anything, but I think he is responsible by the mess he made about space travel issue.

Seraphan · Post by **Seraphan** » 04 Dec 2008 12:43

Also even had everything gone bad for the humans in Hunters and Sandworms, that would not have been the end of humanity as was put forth by characters in those books. LetoII's Golden Path was. While maybe the over all population would have suffered severely had Omnius succeeded, humanity would have endured, that was the beauty of the GP.

Holy crap! He's trying to explain the overall Duniverse from the 'quels point of view with minor and wrong references of the real Dune.
Humanity would go extinct if they continued dependent on a single natural resourse; giving away all their decision making to key figures, etc. For more acurate references and content READ THE FUCKING ORIGINALS.

Robspierre · Post by **Robspierre** » 04 Dec 2008 12:44

TheDukester wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Could someone move it to the "Defense" one? ][/b]
Is that the SIMON thread?

**Ba-boom-kish!**

Thank you; I'm here all week!

Here you go the sad trombone!

http://www.sadtrombone.com/

there is one for the rimshot too but I misplaced the link

Rob

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 04 Dec 2008 12:50

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:
SandChigger wrote:
Simon wrote: But then I tell myself this: None of the authors were scientist, just guys with lively imaginations. Each one has been party to Duniverse inconsistency. You can either look at the books, new and classic, and say "Forget it" due to the lack of every element not being a perfect fit, or one could say "Over all the story is really good, so I can over look these errors".

Hadn't Kevin got physics' graduation level? I know he didn't learned anything, but I think he is responsible by the mess he made about space travel issue.

According to Keith's MySpace page, he attended the
University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1980-1985
graduating in 1985 with a Bachelor's Degree,
Physics major, Astronomy minor

GamePlayer · Post by **GamePlayer** » 04 Dec 2008 14:12

All that education and nothing worth reading

Hunchback Jack · Post by **Hunchback Jack** » 04 Dec 2008 18:48

inhuien wrote:Did no-one else spot the little attempt at Blackwhite newspeak by Simon there? "Then in LoD you have people doing all the things that are supposedly dependent on spice, " or maybe he just got advance copy.

I think "LoD" is "Legends of Dune", i.e. the BJ books.

My response to that comment is that FTL travel is *not* dependent on spice, only the *navigation* is. So the navigation could have been done by thinking machines pre-Jihad, but post-Jihad, spice was required. I haven't read the BJ books, so I don't know whether FTL is possible before the Holtzmann engine is invented (and don't care, frankly).

But regardless of the LoD books, there's FTL problems in Hunters/Sandworms, which we've all discussed before and that Simon doesn't address.

HBJ

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 04 Dec 2008 19:22

It's fiction. Scientific mistakes don't lessen his enjoyment of the stories. And in the end it's all a matter of personal taste anyway.

Hunchback Jack · Post by **Hunchback Jack** » 04 Dec 2008 19:29

Yeah, well, I don't enjoy it when the author doesn't care enough about the universe he's writing in to get the science right.

HBJ

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 04 Dec 2008 21:41

Over There >> Off-Topic >> Oneeyedunicornhunter's Resignation
oneeyedunicornhunter wrote:'fraid i've grown tired of this sterilized board. it's almost entirely one-sided at this point. anyone who expressed dislike of certain ...abominations...was promptly censored and banned (with the exception of Freakzilla). the only reason i'm still here was because i decided to keep my mouth shut and see how things turned out. unfortunately, they did not turn out as i had hoped. as i said, this board has been sterilized. there is no life in it anymore.

so, these are my last words here at DuneNovels...perhaps i should choose them carefully...

then again, a picture is worth a thousand words.

this one makes me kinda sad.
he left that picture as his sig, too.

SimonH · Post by **SimonH** » 04 Dec 2008 21:44

nice resignation

I thought that guy was a preeq? or am I confused. obviously not by the comments above

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 04 Dec 2008 21:47

his previous sig had been:

WOW ! Does anyone on this forum like (real) Dune ?

which I thought kinda toed Merrit's line ....

Lisan Al-Gaib · Post by **Lisan Al-Gaib** » 04 Dec 2008 22:50

I liked oneeyedunicornhunter. Is he already here?

Nice way to get out of there.

Nekhrun · Post by **Nekhrun** » 04 Dec 2008 22:58

Yeah, nice extension on that finger.

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 04 Dec 2008 23:16

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:I liked oneeyedunicornhunter. Is he already here?

Nice way to get out of there.

dunno. "Duck N Hide" registered about the same time.

TheDukester · Post by **TheDukester** » 05 Dec 2008 00:05

Okay, that is some righteous shit right there!

(Still up, too ... yo, Byron!)