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SandRider wrote:stop chatting with me, woman !
just send the new topless pics to my email below.
the ones you PM'd me last week were small & blurry ....



Finally ! Merritt woke up and deleted the last registered user,
Cowards Ban Dissenters.

{edit} Oh, hell :

TheDukester wrote:"Dance Monkey Dance!" ... that's an all-time classic.

TheDukester wrote:my impression of him was that he's a bit ... well, smarter ... than this. Maybe not, though.

Mandy wrote:I doubt they let Byron use the admin cp to do anything but ban IPs.

Simon wrote:

arnoldo wrote:

RazzBerry wrote:

arnoldo wrote:
I'm reading a scholarly book about Frank Herbert which may shed some light on this issue. . .

. . . In a monological design the hero is closed, and the limits of the meaning are sharply outlined. Yet Herbert has renounced all of these monological premises. . . Herbert's authorial position, then, is one that refuses to finalize "this complex mixture," as he calls it, or to assume a stance of authority understood in the monological senses that would deny the reader his freedoms in recreating the world of Dune.
~William Touponce

So it's up to the reader whether or not she/he wishes to accept any so called "changes."

Is it your position that these are not changes? That the text of Frank's work is now viewed as less than cannon, so as to fit the new books?

Remember the FH’s writings were character driven rather than plot driven - - thus alleged plot changes that occurred before the events portrayed in Dune, i.e., Paul going off planet, are inconsequential to the events depicted in Dune. That being said FH wasn’t above making minor changes to his characters- - such as Scytale being portrayed in Dune Messiah as a face dancer and in CH:D he is a master!

I've always wondered why such a massive BT inconsistency always gets a "pass" from the bean counters. Or even the the idea that the BT leave an "escape" for the targets of their plots, a concept which was seemingly dropped without explaination by the later FH books (Waff seemed to have no interest in leaving his prey a way out, despite the supposedly habitual BT compulsion to do so described in the earliest chapters of DM ). Oh, and the metal eyes of the gholas...

Not that I have any issue with these changes (I have no problem sitting back and enjoying the ride, allowing the authors to take me where they will), I just wonder why FH seems impervious to critical comment while BH and KJA get the fifth degree for items far more trivial than the constant (unexplained) changes FH imposed on the BT during his run.

DrunkenDuncan wrote:

Nekhrun wrote:

Simon wrote: I've always wondered why such a massive BT inconsistency always gets a "pass" from the bean counters. Or even the the idea that the BT leave an "escape" for the targets of their plots, a concept which was seemingly dropped without explaination by the later FH books (Waff seemed to have no interest in leaving his prey a way out, despite the supposedly habitual BT compulsion to do so described in the earliest chapters of DM ). Oh, and the metal eyes of the gholas...

Not that I have any issue with these changes (I have no problem sitting back and enjoying the ride, allowing the authors to take me where they will), I just wonder why FH seems impervious to critical comment while BH and KJA get the fifth degree for items far more trivial than the constant (unexplained) changes FH imposed on the BT during his run.

This was talked about previously, about 3 years ago. Maybe it just gets overshadowed by the things that continue to be written that are problematic. We're not just talking about one or two goofs here. If you want to absolve them of all mistakes because FH made a couple go ahead.

Even though I don't feel that any of this BT stuff is inconsistent, that's a good point. Think of what you're implying: Well, Frank Herbert kind of sucked too, so why not let the new authors suck?

chanilover wrote:As for the latest drivel about FH inconsistencies, it's incredible that those mongs can't tell the difference between a story which grew and was developed over decades of writing, and yet another fuck up by a sloppy hack with the 'writing' skills of a baboon.