DUNE DISCUSSION FORUM FOR ORTHODOX HERBERTARIANS
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Yeah, he was signing the pay freeze on White House staff.SandChigger wrote:You saw that clip of him signing something, too, huh?
Did that ever come up during the campaign, that he was left-handed?
Dayum, I wouldn'na voted for 'im if I'd known that!
I'm just passing the information along, it doesn't make any sense to me either.SandChigger wrote:OK, kiddies, spot and name the logical fallacies!
George W. Bush never got the hang of it.Chigger wrote: Obama's speech was fairly nice, I thought,Freak wrote: It's easy to make lies sound nice.
Just in case he took another oath at the White House later that night, but this time without his hand on the Lincoln Bible... or any book.SandRider wrote:George W. Bush never got the hang of it.Chigger wrote: Obama's speech was fairly nice, I thought,Freak wrote: It's easy to make lies sound nice.
{or Reagan or Nixon}
Correction to y'alls misunderstanding - Obama didn't "flub the line"
in the oath, Chief Justice Roberts did. Obama stated it correctly,
then waited for Roberts to repeat it correctly.
Joe is going to be Obama's Dan Quayle, isn't he?Joe Biden got his first trip to the woodshed after the press conference
where he jabbed at the "Chief Justice's Memory" - the President was
visibly unpleased, and I'd imagine the conversation following went something
like, "Joe, Shut the Fuck Up."
Bummer, sorry to hear that! (Not the IV drip, those rule, but the surgery.){ya'll miss me ? Had to have an emergency surgery late Monday night, too
much bullshit effed up with my spine to go into it. Back at home with my
own demerol-IV drip machine. Livin large now dammit.}
)It was because the Justice flubbed his line, they didn't want anyone coming back later saying it didn't count.SandChigger wrote:Was startin' to wonder what you'd done with yourself, Olpah.
(Another, later oath, Freak? What are you on about now?
Did you watch the "Presidents" marathon on the History Channel last night? I really enjoyed it.SandRider wrote:they've already begun.
asshole internet lawyers have been posting this morning
the Executive Orders he signed yesterday afternoon
(including the "Close Gitmo ASAP" order)
are invalid, and will have to be signed again.
This is bullshit. Legally the man was president
at Noon on the 20th.
(BTW Calvin Coolidge & Hoover had to repeat
their oaths as well, don't remember why - but
they were both White Protestant Republicans,
and Big Businessmen)
)A good start?SandChigger wrote:What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the Potomac again?
(Sorry, Omph!
By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer Pamela Hess, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 33 mins ago
WASHINGTON – A Saudi militant who was released from Guantanamo Bay after six years of confinement is now a top figure in the Yemeni branch of al-Qaida, a U.S. counterterrorism official confirmed Friday.
Said Ali al-Shihri was released in 2007 to the Saudi government for rehabilitation. He re-emerged this week, identified by a militant-leaning Web site as a top deputy in "al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula," a Yemeni offshoot of the terror group headed by Osama bin Laden.
The Yemeni branch has been implicated in several attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital Sana.
Al-Shihri is one of a small number of deputies in the group, the U.S. counter-terror official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss sensitive intelligence.
The militant Web site, which referred to al-Shihri under his terror nom de guerre, "Abu Sayyaf al-Shihri," also revealed his Guantanamo prisoner number, 372.
The announcement from the militant site came the same day that President Barack Obama signed an executive order directing the closure of the jail at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year.
A key question facing Obama's new administration is what to do with the 245 prisoners still confined at Guantanamo. That means finding new detention facilities for hard-core prisoners while trying to determine which detainees are harmless enough to release.
At least 18 former Guantanamo detainees have "returned to the fight" and another 43 are suspected of resuming terrorist activities, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said on Jan. 13. He declined to provide the identity of the former detainees or what their terrorist activities were.
It is unclear whether al-Shihri's name would be a new addition to that list of 61.
The Internet site, an online magazine published by al-Qaida affiliates, announced that al-Shihri is the group's second-in-command in Yemen. "He managed to leave the land of the two shrines (Saudi Arabia) and join his brothers in al-Qaida," the statement said.
Included in the site's material was a message to Yemen's populace from al-Qaida figure Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's top deputy.
According to Pentagon documents, al-Shihri was stopped at a Pakistani border crossing in December 2001 with injuries from an airstrike and recuperated at a hospital in Quetta for a month and a half. Within days of leaving the hospital, he became one of the first detainees sent to Guantanamo.
Al-Shihri allegedly traveled to Afghanistan two weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, provided money to other fighters and trained in urban warfare at a camp north of Kabul, according to a summary of the evidence against him from U.S. military review panels at Guantanamo Bay.
An alleged travel coordinator for al-Qaida, he was also accused of meeting extremists in Mashad, Iran, and briefing them on how to enter Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department documents.
Al-Shihri, however, said he traveled to Iran to buy carpets for his store in Riyadh. He said he felt bin Laden had no business representing Islam, denied any links to terrorism, and expressed interest in rejoining his family in Saudi Arabia.
Yemen is rapidly re-emerging as a terrorist battleground and potential base of operations for al-Qaida and is a main concern for U.S. counterterrorism officials. Al-Qaida in Yemen conducted an "unprecedented number of attacks" in 2008 and is likely to be a launching pad for attacks against Saudi Arabia, outgoing CIA Director Michael Hayden said in November.
The most recent attack, in September, killed 16 people. It followed a March mortar attack, and two attacks against Yemen's presidential compound in late April.
The impoverished country on the southern tip of the Arabian peninsula has a weak central government and a powerful tribal system. That leaves large lawless areas open for terrorist training and operations.
Yemen was also the site of the 2000 USS Cole bombing that killed 17 American sailors. Seventeen suspects in the attack were arrested; ten of them escaped Yemen's jails in 2003. One of the primary suspects in the attack, Jamal al-Badawi, escaped jail in 2004. He was taken back into custody last fall under pressure from the U.S. government.
so you would support the same attitude in the American Army's enemies ? Torture and execution and noFreak wrote:As far as I'm concerned, military combatants, and these people were picked up in Afghanastan while trying to do harm to our troops, do not deserve rights and in my opinion are lucky to be alive at all. Prison is too good for them. The only reason they are alive is for interrogation.
Who gives those same rights to our troops? NOBODY. They just drag our corpses through the streets.SandRider wrote:so you would support the same attitude in the American Army's enemies ? Torture and execution and noFreak wrote:As far as I'm concerned, military combatants, and these people were picked up in Afghanastan while trying to do harm to our troops, do not deserve rights and in my opinion are lucky to be alive at all. Prison is too good for them. The only reason they are alive is for interrogation.
rights for American POWs ?
Oh, our troops! Our precious infallible troops who must not be harmed as they walk all over other countries! Damn to hell ANYONE who tries to stick up for themselves in the face of out glorious troops!As far as I'm concerned, military combatants, and these people were picked up in Afghanastan while trying to do harm to our troops, do not deserve rights and in my opinion are lucky to be alive at all. Prison is too good for them. The only reason they are alive is for interrogation.
I'm saying this is WAR, not a god damned tea party.SandRider wrote:so you're saying that morally "we" are no better than "them" ?
So the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are OK by you? That's not one person. We are not fighting freedom fighters over there. Ask the women. We are not trying to overthrow their government, they have violated our and their own people's humanitarian rights.Drunken Idaho wrote:Oh, our troops! Our precious infallible troops who must not be harmed as they walk all over other countries! Damn to hell ANYONE who tries to stick up for themselves in the face of out glorious troops!As far as I'm concerned, military combatants, and these people were picked up in Afghanastan while trying to do harm to our troops, do not deserve rights and in my opinion are lucky to be alive at all. Prison is too good for them. The only reason they are alive is for interrogation.
Please.
Don't tell me that you wouldn't support a little fighting back if your country was being occupied, and your towns were being fucked up by some outside force, all because they were looking for ONE GUY who might have been behind an attack on their homeland. Even if you didn't fight, you'd be damned proud to see others do so.
This is what I mean when I say it's all relative.