election day (United States)

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 21 Jan 2009 19:07

You saw that clip of him signing something, too, huh?

Did that ever come up during the campaign, that he was left-handed?

Dayum, I wouldn'na voted for 'im if I'd known that!

Post by **Freakzilla** » 22 Jan 2009 10:16

SandChigger wrote:You saw that clip of him signing something, too, huh?

Did that ever come up during the campaign, that he was left-handed?

Dayum, I wouldn'na voted for 'im if I'd known that!

Yeah, he was signing the pay freeze on White House staff.

No, it didn't come up.

McCain was left handed too.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 22 Jan 2009 13:03

I was listening to Niel Bortz this morning, suprised?

He keeps playing these sound clips of people who honostly think Obama is going to pay for their mortgage, car note and gas.

This morning it was a woman leaving a voicemail wil Citibank. Basically, she told the bank that if they wanted the car it was in the shop and they could go get it, but if they practice a little patience, she'll be rich soon, because Obama is now President.

The one he plays most often though is a woman saying she's so happy Obama's been elected because now she won't have to worry about paying her mortgage or buying gas.

I wonder how many people really believe this. I truely feel sorry for the man. I think he's like The Mule in the Foundation series. Somehow he projects this feeling of euphoria to people who obviously have no common sense. It's like some kind of mass hypnosis or hysteria and it would be fun to watch if it wasn't actually very sad. Who are they going to blame (besides themselves, of course) when their homes are forclosed on and the repo man comes for their cars? Surely not The Messiah!

I imagine they will continue to blame Whitey, like they always do.

Just found this, can't see it, but the description looks right:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

If Obama could not take care of his illegal alien aunt living in Boston, MA in public housing or his brother in Kenya in a mud hut slum, why do you think that he will take care of you?

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 22 Jan 2009 13:31

OK, kiddies, spot and name the logical fallacies!

Post by **Freakzilla** » 22 Jan 2009 13:35

SandChigger wrote:OK, kiddies, spot and name the logical fallacies!

I'm just passing the information along, it doesn't make any sense to me either.

I hope he pays for my Mortgage too.

Oh wait... I don't live in a house of cards, DAMN IT!

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 22 Jan 2009 14:55

Chigger wrote: Obama's speech was fairly nice, I thought,

Freak wrote: It's easy to make lies sound nice.

George W. Bush never got the hang of it.
{or Reagan or Nixon}

Correction to y'alls misunderstanding - Obama didn't "flub the line"
in the oath, Chief Justice Roberts did. Obama stated it correctly,
then waited for Roberts to repeat it correctly.

Joe Biden got his first trip to the woodshed after the press conference
where he jabbed at the "Chief Justice's Memory" - the President was
visibly unpleased, and I'd imagine the conversation following went something
like, "Joe, Shut the Fuck Up."

{ya'll miss me ? Had to have an emergency surgery late Monday night, too
much bullshit effed up with my spine to go into it. Back at home with my
own demerol-IV drip machine. Livin large now dammit.}

Post by **Freakzilla** » 22 Jan 2009 15:02

SandRider wrote:

Chigger wrote: Obama's speech was fairly nice, I thought,

Freak wrote: It's easy to make lies sound nice.

George W. Bush never got the hang of it.
{or Reagan or Nixon}

Correction to y'alls misunderstanding - Obama didn't "flub the line"
in the oath, Chief Justice Roberts did. Obama stated it correctly,
then waited for Roberts to repeat it correctly.

Just in case he took another oath at the White House later that night, but this time without his hand on the Lincoln Bible... or any book.

Joe Biden got his first trip to the woodshed after the press conference
where he jabbed at the "Chief Justice's Memory" - the President was
visibly unpleased, and I'd imagine the conversation following went something
like, "Joe, Shut the Fuck Up."

Joe is going to be Obama's Dan Quayle, isn't he?

{ya'll miss me ? Had to have an emergency surgery late Monday night, too
much bullshit effed up with my spine to go into it. Back at home with my
own demerol-IV drip machine. Livin large now dammit.}

Bummer, sorry to hear that! (Not the IV drip, those rule, but the surgery.)

So, are you going to live?

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 22 Jan 2009 15:23

it would appear so - but I think my idea
of ever doing serious work again is fading.
My Union has declared me "disabled" since
last September and set me a check for
15 grand, and their insurance is paying for
all this. I've still thought I had a couple more
years of high-earning with these windfarms,
tho. But money's not the important thing, I've
got more than enough for retirement & so forth,
it's just the principle of the thing and the sheer
fucking boredom of these last few months.

The re-enacting season will really start up around
March, so I hope I'm okay enough to go do that if,
if the Union won't let me work anymore. And they
might not, some of the Bosses have all ready been
talking about starting the pension payments.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 22 Jan 2009 15:33

So we'll be seeing a lot more of you in the future, huh?

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 22 Jan 2009 15:41

Was startin' to wonder what you'd done with yourself, Olpah.

(Another, later oath, Freak? What are you on about now?

)

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 22 Jan 2009 15:43

Most likely.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 22 Jan 2009 15:44

SandChigger wrote:Was startin' to wonder what you'd done with yourself, Olpah.

(Another, later oath, Freak? What are you on about now? )

It was because the Justice flubbed his line, they didn't want anyone coming back later saying it didn't count.

Let the conspiracy theories begin!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090122/od_ ... ama_oath_1

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 22 Jan 2009 15:48

they've already begun.
asshole internet lawyers have been posting this morning
the Executive Orders he signed yesterday afternoon
(including the "Close Gitmo ASAP" order)
are invalid, and will have to be signed again.
This is bullshit. Legally the man was president
at Noon on the 20th.

(BTW Calvin Coolidge & Hoover had to repeat
their oaths as well, don't remember why - but
they were both White Protestant Republicans,
and Big Businessmen)

Post by **Freakzilla** » 22 Jan 2009 15:50

SandRider wrote:they've already begun.
asshole internet lawyers have been posting this morning
the Executive Orders he signed yesterday afternoon
(including the "Close Gitmo ASAP" order)
are invalid, and will have to be signed again.
This is bullshit. Legally the man was president
at Noon on the 20th.

(BTW Calvin Coolidge & Hoover had to repeat
their oaths as well, don't remember why - but
they were both White Protestant Republicans,
and Big Businessmen)

Did you watch the "Presidents" marathon on the History Channel last night? I really enjoyed it.

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 22 Jan 2009 16:21

What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the Potomac again?

(Sorry, Omph!

)

Post by **Freakzilla** » 22 Jan 2009 16:23

SandChigger wrote:What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the Potomac again?

(Sorry, Omph! )

A good start?

Post by **Freakzilla** » 23 Jan 2009 14:50

Released detainee now Yemen al-Qaida commander

By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer Pamela Hess, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 33 mins ago

WASHINGTON – A Saudi militant who was released from Guantanamo Bay after six years of confinement is now a top figure in the Yemeni branch of al-Qaida, a U.S. counterterrorism official confirmed Friday.

Said Ali al-Shihri was released in 2007 to the Saudi government for rehabilitation. He re-emerged this week, identified by a militant-leaning Web site as a top deputy in "al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula," a Yemeni offshoot of the terror group headed by Osama bin Laden.

The Yemeni branch has been implicated in several attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital Sana.

Al-Shihri is one of a small number of deputies in the group, the U.S. counter-terror official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss sensitive intelligence.

The militant Web site, which referred to al-Shihri under his terror nom de guerre, "Abu Sayyaf al-Shihri," also revealed his Guantanamo prisoner number, 372.

The announcement from the militant site came the same day that President Barack Obama signed an executive order directing the closure of the jail at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year.

A key question facing Obama's new administration is what to do with the 245 prisoners still confined at Guantanamo. That means finding new detention facilities for hard-core prisoners while trying to determine which detainees are harmless enough to release.

At least 18 former Guantanamo detainees have "returned to the fight" and another 43 are suspected of resuming terrorist activities, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said on Jan. 13. He declined to provide the identity of the former detainees or what their terrorist activities were.

It is unclear whether al-Shihri's name would be a new addition to that list of 61.

The Internet site, an online magazine published by al-Qaida affiliates, announced that al-Shihri is the group's second-in-command in Yemen. "He managed to leave the land of the two shrines (Saudi Arabia) and join his brothers in al-Qaida," the statement said.

Included in the site's material was a message to Yemen's populace from al-Qaida figure Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's top deputy.

According to Pentagon documents, al-Shihri was stopped at a Pakistani border crossing in December 2001 with injuries from an airstrike and recuperated at a hospital in Quetta for a month and a half. Within days of leaving the hospital, he became one of the first detainees sent to Guantanamo.

Al-Shihri allegedly traveled to Afghanistan two weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, provided money to other fighters and trained in urban warfare at a camp north of Kabul, according to a summary of the evidence against him from U.S. military review panels at Guantanamo Bay.

An alleged travel coordinator for al-Qaida, he was also accused of meeting extremists in Mashad, Iran, and briefing them on how to enter Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department documents.

Al-Shihri, however, said he traveled to Iran to buy carpets for his store in Riyadh. He said he felt bin Laden had no business representing Islam, denied any links to terrorism, and expressed interest in rejoining his family in Saudi Arabia.

Yemen is rapidly re-emerging as a terrorist battleground and potential base of operations for al-Qaida and is a main concern for U.S. counterterrorism officials. Al-Qaida in Yemen conducted an "unprecedented number of attacks" in 2008 and is likely to be a launching pad for attacks against Saudi Arabia, outgoing CIA Director Michael Hayden said in November.

The most recent attack, in September, killed 16 people. It followed a March mortar attack, and two attacks against Yemen's presidential compound in late April.

The impoverished country on the southern tip of the Arabian peninsula has a weak central government and a powerful tribal system. That leaves large lawless areas open for terrorist training and operations.

Yemen was also the site of the 2000 USS Cole bombing that killed 17 American sailors. Seventeen suspects in the attack were arrested; ten of them escaped Yemen's jails in 2003. One of the primary suspects in the attack, Jamal al-Badawi, escaped jail in 2004. He was taken back into custody last fall under pressure from the U.S. government.

Woohoo! Let 'em all go!

Drunken Idaho · Post by **Drunken Idaho** » 23 Jan 2009 16:12

Freak, Said Ali alSihiri is not going to harm you or your family. He'll probably try to exact revenge on the Western World in some way, but he'll likely fail.

Notice how this article has a lot of words like "allegedly" in it. This guy, along with a few hundred others, has been imprisoned for as long as FIVE YEARS with no trial. If he was such a bad apple before Guantanamo was established (the prison, not the base) then why was he never brought to trial in all that time? That's totally unjust and immoral. And thanks to your Patriot Act, it's totally legal.

And now you're surprised that he's associating with some anti-American factions. Well I'm not. If I were unjustly imprisoned for that long, I'd hate the country that did it too.

The average US citizen needs to get it through their heads that NONE OF THIS is black and white. Even terrorism is relative. There are no evil-doers because in their minds, they are fighting for what's right. I've said it before and I'll say it again that occupation begets terrorists, and the US sure knows how to drag out an occupation.

Obama is doing the right thing by letting them go. Either let them go, or bring them to trial, and clearly there's not enough evidence to do the latter, otherwise it would have been done by now. So if they do manage to strike the United States now that they're free, then you can blame George W. Bush for starting a war for falsified reasons.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 23 Jan 2009 16:21

I don't care how right someone thinks it is, if they attack me or ANY American they need to be dealt with.

As far as I'm concerned, military combatants, and these people were picked up in Afghanastan while trying to do harm to our troops, do not deserve rights and in my opinion are lucky to be alive at all. Prison is too good for them. The only reason they are alive is for interrogation.

We have become a nation of PUSSIES where every team gets a trophy, no child is left behind, and we appologize for winning.

I just hope people can get over this before we're attacked again.

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 23 Jan 2009 16:27

Freak wrote:As far as I'm concerned, military combatants, and these people were picked up in Afghanastan while trying to do harm to our troops, do not deserve rights and in my opinion are lucky to be alive at all. Prison is too good for them. The only reason they are alive is for interrogation.

so you would support the same attitude in the American Army's enemies ? Torture and execution and no
rights for American POWs ?

Post by **Freakzilla** » 23 Jan 2009 16:33

SandRider wrote:
Freak wrote:As far as I'm concerned, military combatants, and these people were picked up in Afghanastan while trying to do harm to our troops, do not deserve rights and in my opinion are lucky to be alive at all. Prison is too good for them. The only reason they are alive is for interrogation.
so you would support the same attitude in the American Army's enemies ? Torture and execution and no
rights for American POWs ?

Who gives those same rights to our troops? NOBODY. They just drag our corpses through the streets.

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 23 Jan 2009 16:36

so you're saying that morally "we" are no better than "them" ?

Drunken Idaho · Post by **Drunken Idaho** » 23 Jan 2009 16:36

As far as I'm concerned, military combatants, and these people were picked up in Afghanastan while trying to do harm to our troops, do not deserve rights and in my opinion are lucky to be alive at all. Prison is too good for them. The only reason they are alive is for interrogation.

Oh, our troops! Our precious infallible troops who must not be harmed as they walk all over other countries! Damn to hell ANYONE who tries to stick up for themselves in the face of out glorious troops!

Please.

Don't tell me that you wouldn't support a little fighting back if your country was being occupied, and your towns were being fucked up by some outside force, all because they were looking for ONE GUY who might have been behind an attack on their homeland. Even if you didn't fight, you'd be damned proud to see others do so.

This is what I mean when I say it's all relative.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 23 Jan 2009 16:44

SandRider wrote:so you're saying that morally "we" are no better than "them" ?

I'm saying this is WAR, not a god damned tea party.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 23 Jan 2009 16:48

Drunken Idaho wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, military combatants, and these people were picked up in Afghanastan while trying to do harm to our troops, do not deserve rights and in my opinion are lucky to be alive at all. Prison is too good for them. The only reason they are alive is for interrogation.
Oh, our troops! Our precious infallible troops who must not be harmed as they walk all over other countries! Damn to hell ANYONE who tries to stick up for themselves in the face of out glorious troops!

Please.

Don't tell me that you wouldn't support a little fighting back if your country was being occupied, and your towns were being fucked up by some outside force, all because they were looking for ONE GUY who might have been behind an attack on their homeland. Even if you didn't fight, you'd be damned proud to see others do so.

This is what I mean when I say it's all relative.

So the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are OK by you? That's not one person. We are not fighting freedom fighters over there. Ask the women. We are not trying to overthrow their government, they have violated our and their own people's humanitarian rights.

They need to either turn over the terrorists or get out of the way.