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Serkanner wrote:I read on dumbnovels a post by Simon about the fate of the Tleilaxu Kwisatz Haderach. According to the hacks he was killed by Marie "wunderkind" Fenring ... but ... when we read Dune Messiah we can read:

"Because we once bred a kwisatz haderach of our own," Scytale said.
With a quick movement of her old head, the Reverend Mother looked up at him.
"You didn't tell us that!" she accused.
"You didn't ask," Scytale said.
"How did you overcome your kwisatz haderach?" Irulan asked.
"A creature who has spent his life creating one particular representation of his selfdom will die rather than become the antithesis of that representation," Scytale said.
"I do not understand," Edric ventured.
"He killed himself," the Reverend Mother growled.
"Follow me well, Reverend Mother," Scytale warned, using a voice mode which said: You are not a sex object, have never been a sex object, cannot be a sex object.

Freakzilla wrote:

Serkanner wrote:I read on dumbnovels a post by Simon about the fate of the Tleilaxu Kwisatz Haderach. According to the hacks he was killed by Marie "wunderkind" Fenring ... but ... when we read Dune Messiah we can read:

"Because we once bred a kwisatz haderach of our own," Scytale said.
With a quick movement of her old head, the Reverend Mother looked up at him.
"You didn't tell us that!" she accused.
"You didn't ask," Scytale said.
"How did you overcome your kwisatz haderach?" Irulan asked.
"A creature who has spent his life creating one particular representation of his selfdom will die rather than become the antithesis of that representation," Scytale said.
"I do not understand," Edric ventured.
"He killed himself," the Reverend Mother growled.
"Follow me well, Reverend Mother," Scytale warned, using a voice mode which said: You are not a sex object, have never been a sex object, cannot be a sex object.

D'oh! I wonder how they will retcon that?

..of a blessed female child among
the Bene Tleilax. It is speculated that,
despite Emperor Paul's directives,
enormous prices were exacted by the
Spacing Guild for transporting the
shattered remains of Shaddam IV's
court to Salusa Secundus, and Shaddam
incurred continued debts with the Bene
Tleilax and the Ixians in covert
attempts to reestablish himself. Lady
Margot's valuable three-year-old
daughter may have sufficed as payment
to the Bene Tleilax. The existence of
such a female child would coincide
with the legends of a "mater matrix"
that began to develop among the Bene
Tleilax in the early 10200s, a woman
who contributed astoundingly virile
heredity to their genetic machinations.
Indeed, the evolving legend of a
parthenogenetically reproduced female
of enormous power living on Tleilax...

SandChigger wrote:Does anyone know who owns the copyright to The Encyclopedia at present? Do you think anyone from McNelly's family is watching this situation?

The Hacks say that they don't refer to the DE in their writing. If we point out similarities like this, they can just claim that FH was the originator of the idea (because they found it in the Holy Notes) and must have related it at some point to McNelly, who incorporated it himself or passed it along to the relevant DE contributor. With McNelly dead, who is left to contradict them?

The Margot Fenring article bears the initials "R.C.S." or Ray C. Shiflett. He and the other contributors besides McNelly might be worth tracking down, to see if they remember where various ideas came from.

Ghost wrote:Page 301, Dune Encyclopedia Margot Fenrig entry

..of a blessed female child among
the Bene Tleilax. It is speculated that,
despite Emperor Paul's directives,
enormous prices were exacted by the
Spacing Guild for transporting the
shattered remains of Shaddam IV's
court to Salusa Secundus, and Shaddam
incurred continued debts with the Bene
Tleilax and the Ixians in covert
attempts to reestablish himself. Lady
Margot's valuable three-year-old
daughter may have sufficed as payment
to the Bene Tleilax. The existence of
such a female child would coincide
with the legends of a "mater matrix"
that began to develop among the Bene
Tleilax in the early 10200s, a woman
who contributed astoundingly virile
heredity to their genetic machinations.
Indeed, the evolving legend of a
parthenogenetically reproduced female
of enormous power living on Tleilax...

Coincidence...yeah right, faggots.
Expect more in Jessica and Irulan...

inhuien wrote:I don't think that we need a perfect world necessarily, just a court room that wishes evidence presented to it substantiated.

Baraka Bryan wrote:

Ghost wrote:Margot isn't a BG anymore?
Or not playing along them

yeah of course..FH made a rebellious BG so of course KJA has to have one that's has a child that's even more super-uber-KHish and wiser than alia.

stupid moron doesn't know how to do anything by try and one-up the people whose legacy he's destroying.

GET AN ORIGINAL IDEA DUMBASS!

Ghost wrote:

inhuien wrote:I don't think that we need a perfect world necessarily, just a court room that wishes evidence presented to it substantiated.

We dont need a ''court room'', just a ''dark room'' with us, the hacks and sticks...many sticks.

SandChigger wrote:And the retcon explaining why Scytale said the BT KH killed himself will be very original as well.

Baraka Bryan wrote:

Rakis wrote:

SandChigger wrote:And the retcon explaining why Scytale said the BT KH killed himself will be very original as well.

10 bucks Scytale is a hybrid facedancer/ghola of the BT KH with false memories of his actual death...

damnit, that's so stupid it's plausible for them to write it


EDIT TO ADD: i just picked up PoD from the library today.. i'm going in :S

Baraka Bryan wrote:

Rakis wrote:

SandChigger wrote:And the retcon explaining why Scytale said the BT KH killed himself will be very original as well.

10 bucks Scytale is a hybrid facedancer/ghola of the BT KH with false memories of his actual death...

damnit, that's so stupid it's plausible for them to write it


EDIT TO ADD: i just picked up PoD from the library today.. i'm going in :S

DuneFishUK wrote:I listened to the first 2 hours of the audiobook at work on Friday. It's actually pretty well read (by that Scott Brick) - I'd quite like to hear his reading of the originals, I reckon they'd be quite good.

Tomorrow though I'm thinking about putting "How to piss glass" onto my mp3 player instead...


('nuff said)

Robspierre wrote:

DuneFishUK wrote:I listened to the first 2 hours of the audiobook at work on Friday. It's actually pretty well read (by that Scott Brick) - I'd quite like to hear his reading of the originals, I reckon they'd be quite good.

Tomorrow though I'm thinking about putting "How to piss glass" onto my mp3 player instead...


('nuff said)

I have all of them, they are very well done.

Rob