Dune Demotivators

GamePlayer · Post by **GamePlayer** » 09 Oct 2008 14:39

I know this; comparing KJA to Uwe Boll is giving KJA far too much credit.

Where is Anderson's "Ender's Game" or "I, Robot"? Where is his "Alien" or "Terminator"? Where is his "Watchmen" or "Dark Knight Returns"? Where is his "9th Symphony" or "Love Me Do"? He's offered nothing and he never will. He brought the medicore, nothing more.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 09 Oct 2008 14:41

GamePlayer wrote:I know this; comparing KJA to Uwe Boll is giving KJA far too much credit.

Where is Anderson's "Ender's Game" or "I, Robot"? Where is his "Alien" or "Terminator"? Where is his "Watchmen" or "Dark Knight Returns"? Where is his "9th Symphony" or "Love Me Do"? He's offered nothing and he never will. He brought the medicore, nothing more.

Maybe one day he'll have an original thought and leave the Duniverse.

<fingers crossed>

Lundse · Post by **Lundse** » 09 Oct 2008 14:54

TheDukester wrote:
GamePlayer wrote:... has come from the mouths of nostalgic fans crying about their childhoods being raped.
Totally playing devil's advocate here, but I think it's interesting:

Replace "their childhoods" with "the Dune legacy" and you've got a picture of how many preeks and casual Dune fans view the OH movement.

I'm just sayin' ...

True. To a certain degree (that degree being midichloranians, another example of a stupid explanation of something that was previously left to the imagination where it belonged, which subtracted from a previous understanding instead of expanding on it).

I do believe that a lot of the Star Wars hate Lucas is drawing is based on the age difference - people liked the originals as kids and now want a movie which excites them as the original films did (a kids film), while being as cool as they think Star Wars is (not a kids film).
That said, I also think most of the new SW films suck, I just think the age difference thing is bringing this from disappointment to hate.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 09 Oct 2008 15:30

Anyone watched the Clone Wars cartoon? I watched it with my kids last night, it was better than I expected.

inhuien · Post by **inhuien** » 09 Oct 2008 16:21

I've seen them both, i thought they were ok but I didn't care for the animation much.

Lisan Al-Gaib · Post by **Lisan Al-Gaib** » 09 Oct 2008 16:24

Freakzilla wrote:Anyone watched the Clone Wars cartoon? I watched it with my kids last night, it was better than I expected.

I didn't like, Yoda is turning to be very repetitive and boring...

Lundse wrote: To a certain degree (that degree being midichloranians, another example of a stupid explanation of something that was previously left to the imagination where it belonged, which subtracted from a previous understanding instead of expanding on it).

I find the midchlorians very nice. It is not the Force, people, it's the biological compound present inside all life that make the communication with the Force possible.

Lets be honest, Lucas could hadn't explained that, but "felling the Force" should have had some explanation, and Lucas did it, creatively.

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 09 Oct 2008 20:03

Midichlorians?

[reads bit on WP]

Ugh. This is the kind of shit scifi I DON'T like. (And why I'm not a rabbid SW fan.)

TheDukester · Post by **TheDukester** » 09 Oct 2008 20:12

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:I find the midchlorians very nice. It is not the Force, people, it's the biological compound present inside all life that make the communication with the Force possible.

Sorry, but that's crap.

The Force was a wondrous, mysterious thing in the first three movies (especially the first two). It seemingly required hard work, dedication, sacrifice, and other qualities to begin to master it.

The Force in that prequel crap was biological. You had it or you didn't. How exciting ... everyone but a select few is reduced to the status of non-player character.

At the very least, it's poor story-telling. I have a feeling that's why Kevvie is so at home churning out crap "novels" in the "modern" Star Wars universe. It requires no skill at all to report someone's midichlorian count.

Rakis · Post by **Rakis** » 10 Oct 2008 00:01

The Force was a wondrous, mysterious thing in the first three movies (especially the first two). It seemingly required hard work, dedication, sacrifice, and other qualities to begin to master it.

Yeah, like so many things KJA tried to explain from FH's book...

Taking away the mystery and mystic from a thing is like explaining God...you just got to have faith, no explaination...Maybe that's where Lucas went wrong; you don't have to explain everything...

Ghost · Post by **Ghost** » 15 Oct 2008 13:56

Found this one

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 15 Oct 2008 18:59

This one what?

A Thing of Eternity · Post by **A Thing of Eternity** » 15 Oct 2008 19:01

SandChigger wrote:This one what?

I was going to say...

GamePlayer · Post by **GamePlayer** » 15 Oct 2008 20:53

Is this an attempt to put my ego in check because I got the last two obscure references on this message board that everyone else missed? Because I admit, I'm not that smart. It's okay; I am capable of being duped.

*waits for explanation, with his facepalm picture at the ready...*

The Sons of Idaho · Post by **The Sons of Idaho** » 16 Oct 2008 17:24

TheDukester wrote:
Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:I find the midchlorians very nice. It is not the Force, people, it's the biological compound present inside all life that make the communication with the Force possible.
Sorry, but that's crap.

The Force was a wondrous, mysterious thing in the first three movies (especially the first two). It seemingly required hard work, dedication, sacrifice, and other qualities to begin to master it.

The Midichlorions...

At first glance, I thought this was crap and it kinda made me mad, for the reasons already pointed out. But thinking about it, its not that bad. Like Lisan said, its not explaining the Force, just the biological difference that makes people more prone to it. They do say in the originals that Luke had a high force-sensitivity because his father was strong in the force. The midichlorions are just a way of explain the hereditary difference. Still, I do think it was uneccessary.

What DID bother me however, was a scifi-tech technicality in Episode 1 -

Qui-Gon takes a blood sample from Anakin. He then talks to someone on the Jedi council through his subspace communicator and says " i'm sending you a blood sample to analyze" (they analyze it, and it comes back, of course, with an off-the-charts midichlorion count).

So, if chemical analysis back at the base was needed, how did he send a blood sample through subspace? Information is sent through the transmission, not the chemicals that need to be analyzed (you can't send matter through a radio, at least not in Star Wars). So, either he sent chemicals through subspace, or, if only data is being sent, that means the analysis would have to be done in Qui-Gon's handheld device, and the results of the blood analysis could be sent. But that means there was no need to send anything anyway, he would have the results there.

Just an example of what an engineer thinks about when he watches this stuff...

Oh, and the whole "immaculate conception through the midichlorions" thing was ridiculous. Anakin's mother got down with a spice-smuggler... named Gurney.

TheDukester · Post by **TheDukester** » 16 Oct 2008 17:57

The Sons of Idaho wrote:Still, I do think it was uneccessary.

If I had to boil it down to one sentence, I'd choose that one. It just didn't add anything. It was, as I mentioned above, poor story-telling.

inhuien · Post by **inhuien** » 17 Oct 2008 05:47

The Sons of Idaho wrote:Qui-Gon takes a blood sample from Anakin. He then talks to someone on the Jedi council through his subspace communicator and says " i'm sending you a blood sample to analyze" (they analyze it, and it comes back, of course, with an off-the-charts midichlorion count).

So, if chemical analysis back at the base was needed, how did he send a blood sample through subspace? Information is sent through the transmission, not the chemicals that need to be analyzed (you can't send matter through a radio, at least not in Star Wars). So, either he sent chemicals through subspace, or, if only data is being sent, that means the analysis would have to be done in Qui-Gon's handheld device, and the results of the blood analysis could be sent. But that means there was no need to send anything anyway, he would have the results there.

Just an example of what an engineer thinks about when he watches this stuff...

I thought he was talking to a young Obi wan who was only a matter of miles away at the time. And re your second point mayhaps the "analysis" was so complicated that the... argggg I'm getting sucked in helllpmeeeeee

Tyrant · Post by **Tyrant** » 23 Oct 2008 21:04

TheDukester wrote:The Force was a wondrous, mysterious thing in the first three movies (especially the first two). It seemingly required hard work, dedication, sacrifice, and other qualities to begin to master it.

interesting .... although flawed...you do remember that luke uses the force right?...i mean he really worked hard huh...and if by "other qualities" you mean by acting like a whiny little bitch...then yes...luke did have those "other qualities" ...go rewatch the original trilogy...make a drinking game out of it...every time luke complains or whines....take a shot...you wont make it off tatooine without barfing your whisky everywhere

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 23 Oct 2008 23:15

I'm in!

Secher_Nbiw · Post by **Secher_Nbiw** » 24 Oct 2008 05:49

SandChigger wrote:I'm in!

Me too!

orald · Post by **orald** » 24 Oct 2008 12:02

SW sucks! Real men watch ST!

Ah, they're both shit. Bring on DUNE!

Drunken Idaho · Post by **Drunken Idaho** » 24 Oct 2008 12:23

orald wrote:SW sucks! Real men watch ST!

Ah, they're both shit. Bring on DUNE!

Exactly.

A Thing of Eternity · Post by **A Thing of Eternity** » 24 Oct 2008 12:57

Word.

Robspierre · Post by **Robspierre** » 24 Oct 2008 19:04

orald wrote:SW sucks! Real men watch ST!

Ah, they're both shit. Bring on DUNE!

TOS Star Trek had the women is sexy ootfits

Rob

Rakis · Post by **Rakis** » 24 Oct 2008 23:05

Robspierre wrote:
orald wrote:SW sucks! Real men watch ST!

Ah, they're both shit. Bring on DUNE!
TOS Star Trek had the women is sexy ootfits

Rob

Like he said...

Seraphan · Post by **Seraphan** » 25 Oct 2008 09:32