TheDukester wrote:Right after Kevvie read some Fantastic Four comics.Mandy wrote:When did the BG get the invisibility superpower?
Actually, I really hate to play the DA here (seriously, I really hate to)- but the invisible RM's via mass hypnosis is much more plausible in the real world than prescience or OM, both of which would require such a breach of physics as to pretty much be magicAmpoliros wrote:exactly. One of the best parts of Dune IMHO is that there is nothing in Dune that is impossible for human's to achieve in the real universe. some of the more interesting abilities, such as prescience and other memory might not work the same way, but they aren't unbelievable.
Invisible BG's, doing it to prank Harkonnens? seriously dude, quit writing. your 'creativity' kills brain cells. you limit the universe you are working in. you cannot comprehend infinity. your 'clever' witticisms impress only those who have never stood in the face of greatness. I will watch with pleasure as history forgets you.
I don't thinks so.A Thing of Eternity wrote:Actually, I really hate to play the DA here (seriously, I really hate to)- but the invisible RM's via mass hypnosis is much more plausible in the real world than prescience or OM, both of which would require such a breach of physics as to pretty much be magicAmpoliros wrote:exactly. One of the best parts of Dune IMHO is that there is nothing in Dune that is impossible for human's to achieve in the real universe. some of the more interesting abilities, such as prescience and other memory might not work the same way, but they aren't unbelievable.
Invisible BG's, doing it to prank Harkonnens? seriously dude, quit writing. your 'creativity' kills brain cells. you limit the universe you are working in. you cannot comprehend infinity. your 'clever' witticisms impress only those who have never stood in the face of greatness. I will watch with pleasure as history forgets you.
I mean, you can never say that something is 100% impossible, but OM is pretty much on par with Santa actually being real (and immortal and has flying elk) and everyone just think's he's fake.
True enough, but I think that's (genetics) definitely what FH had in mind (maybe less so by the time he got to Heretics though as we've all discussed Duncan's seemingly magical memories of some events). Any other explanation for OM is way too pseudo-science metaphysical spiritual craziness for my mind.Freakzilla wrote:I think you're limiting yourself in your thinking that OM is genetic.
A Thing of Eternity wrote:the invisible RM's via mass hypnosis is much more plausible in the real world than prescience or OM, both of which would require such a breach of physics as to pretty much be magic
GOTCHA! You contradict yourself which is an inconsistency, which is like KJA. Therefore, my dear friends, AToE is a flip-flopping hack! I say to you, AToE bin ein KJA!A Thing of Eternity wrote:The prescience is the more believable of the two, and yes I totally agree FH did a great job making it believable.
Ampoliros wrote:A Thing of Eternity wrote:the invisible RM's via mass hypnosis is much more plausible in the real world than prescience or OM, both of which would require such a breach of physics as to pretty much be magicGOTCHA! You contradict yourself which is an inconsistency, which is like KJA. Therefore, my dear friends, AToE is a flip-flopping hack! I say to you, AToE bin ein KJA!A Thing of Eternity wrote:The prescience is the more believable of the two, and yes I totally agree FH did a great job making it believable.
Just Kidding. I humbly beg your forgiveness in suggesting you are in any way like KJA.
No worries! Actually, you misunderstand me, I was saying it's the more likely of the two - the "two" being Prescience and OM, not Prescience and Invisibility via hypnosis. So I actually didn't do any contradicting - but you are right about the following:When you lay it out like this I have to agree with you, the idea is pretty stupid.Hypnotic Invisibility is even worse. To use a D&D reference, thieves can hide in shadows. Well some theives like to believe that this means they can move down an unlit unobstructed hallway with nigh perfect invisibility. the problem is most creatures who dwell in dungeons have infravision which allows them to see in pure darkness. There are no shadows in an unlit hall.
Pressing yourself against a wall, hiding under tables are actions which go against normality. They stand out. Hypnosis is about doing something with regular actions that hide your true intention, a mental slight of hand.
If you are in a room full of people, the ones who stand out are the ones hiding under tables and pressing themselves against the wall. The people calmly walking around and mingling, doing regular actions are not the first thing you notice. Ninjitsu uses alot of fluid motion to trick the eye, but for the most part it does not make the ninja invisible, it just gives him the initiative to move before your body recognizes where he is moving too. I've seen it done and its scary. Think Voice in a physical form.
I always assumed that the scene meant for the Baron and his lackeys to think there was no one in the room, they couldn't actually see any of the BG. That's true invisibility, not hypnosis. Someone of the Baron's mental capacity would not be fooled for very long.
Second, we agree that this action goes against the calm demeanor and mature attitude of the BG. They also would not display this ability so flagrantly and so pettily. If they really can turn invisible, Baron Harkonnen would spread this throughout the Imperium. Even as a rumor it would destroy much of what the BG had as far as credibility.
There are plenty of other ways to show the superiority of the BG, but this one whores itself out for 'cinematic' effect.
Cellular or even telepathic. FH said it was stored in nerve cells, but I don't trust him to get his science totally right:A Thing of Eternity wrote:True enough, but I think that's (genetics) definitely what FH had in mind (maybe less so by the time he got to Heretics though as we've all discussed Duncan's seemingly magical memories of some events). Any other explanation for OM is way too pseudo-science metaphysical spiritual craziness for my mind.Freakzilla wrote:I think you're limiting yourself in your thinking that OM is genetic.
What did you have in mind for that?
Neither of which makes a lot of sense, really.Freakzilla wrote:Cellular or even telepathic.
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We can only hope. We already know that the Two Men From Another Place want to write about the Sisterhood and the Mentat schools, and since Duncan is involved with both, as well as their Leto of Dune novel, its only a matter of time before they provide an awesome answer to this question in the most mind-blowing way that they can...SandChigger wrote:What FH had in mind for Duncan with his memories is an interesting question that will evidently remain forever unanswered.
Presumably there was a lot of screaming and yelling in the middle."This family was not always House Moritani. Once, we were named Tantor. After Salusa, though, every member of House Tantor was hunted down and killed. Every member the hunters could find, that is."
A shudder ran down Resser's spine. Now it began to make sense. "The Salusa Incident? Not the atomic attack that nearly wiped out House Corrino and devastated all of Salusa Secundus?"
"One and the same. We are the renegade family whose name was erased from the historical record."
Jajaja, i found that explanation a little dificult to believe.SandChigger wrote:Presumably there was a lot of screaming and yelling in the middle."This family was not always House Moritani. Once, we were named Tantor. After Salusa, though, every member of House Tantor was hunted down and killed. Every member the hunters could find, that is."
A shudder ran down Resser's spine. Now it began to make sense. "The Salusa Incident? Not the atomic attack that nearly wiped out House Corrino and devastated all of Salusa Secundus?"
"One and the same. We are the renegade family whose name was erased from the historical record."
Yawn.
But don't worry. House Moritani is mentioned by Frank Herbert, but not the atomic attack on SS.
It never happened.
