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nuduneman wrote:Interesting. For comparative purposes, would you run a random excerpt from Frank Herbert's Dune of equal length through your software and post the results here ?

arnoldo wrote:The introductory chpt. of Dune Messiah (where the conspirators meet) scored a 4.8 on the Flech-Kincaid scale.

Bearded Kirklander at Dumbnovels... wrote:


Then LEAVE and stop spoiling the enjoyment of people who visit this particulare site.

It's arrogant of you to assume you have the right to defend the Legacy of Frank Herbert. Brian is his family, and this is the Official site.

Who do you think YOU are to be actively discouraging anyone who comes here from enjoying ALL of the works surrounding Dune?

You want to whine and complain? Then do it somewhere else.

I swear, I wish they would ban every damn one of you so that fans of all the works did not have to have their experience soiled by your hostility.

This is the official, family run, author supported site, and you should have no right to demonize the works or the authors.

Stop trying to ruin everything and just go spew your garbage somewhere else. You should have no right to do it here, of all places.

Chig wrote:Meaning what, that DM is suitable for almost fifth-graders?
The idiot didn't use comparable amounts of text (only 2071 w for PoD but 4369 w for DM?). Fairly meaningless, as it stands.
Which should be obvious from the result that the first chapter of DM is an easier read than the fifth "chapter" of PoD. (I.5. That's p.37 of PoD in the first screen shot.)
Ridiculous.

nuduneman wrote:Paul of Dune debuted on the New York Times Bestseller List on October 5th at #11,
falling the next week, October 12th to #18, where it remained for one additional week
before dropping to #25. As of today, the current rankings for next week, November 02,
do not list the book in the top 35.

As this is the Official Dune Website, I will post this question to the HLP: With the rapid
drop-off in sales and no major postive reviews of the book, will Paul of Dune now
be considered a commercial and critical failure, and will the HLP reconsider the future
of the franchise ?

SandRider wrote:

nuduneman wrote:Paul of Dune debuted on the New York Times Bestseller List on October 5th at #11,
falling the next week, October 12th to #18, where it remained for one additional week
before dropping to #25. As of today, the current rankings for next week, November 02,
do not list the book in the top 35.

As this is the Official Dune Website, I will post this question to the HLP: With the rapid
drop-off in sales and no major postive reviews of the book, will Paul of Dune now
be considered a commercial and critical failure, and will the HLP reconsider the future
of the franchise ?

nuduneman wrote:Paul of Dune debuted on the New York Times Bestseller List on October 5th at #11,
falling the next week, October 12th to #18, where it remained for one additional week
before dropping to #25. As of today, the current rankings for next week, November 02,
do not list the book in the top 35.

As this is the Official Dune Website, I will post this question to the HLP: With the rapid
drop-off in sales and no major postive reviews of the book, will Paul of Dune now
be considered a commercial and critical failure, and will the HLP reconsider the future
of the franchise ?

TheDukester wrote:

nuduneman wrote:Paul of Dune debuted on the New York Times Bestseller List on October 5th at #11,
falling the next week, October 12th to #18, where it remained for one additional week
before dropping to #25. As of today, the current rankings for next week, November 02,
do not list the book in the top 35.

As this is the Official Dune Website, I will post this question to the HLP: With the rapid
drop-off in sales and no major postive reviews of the book, will Paul of Dune now
be considered a commercial and critical failure, and will the HLP reconsider the future
of the franchise ?

Seriously ... did this whole thread just get deleted?!?!

I'm not seeing it anywhere.

Is Byron really that big of a pussy?

boardadmin wrote:Hi,

I recently deleted your "comment" to the HLP regarding our interpretation as to the success or failure of PAUL OF DUNE due to its listings on the NY Times Bestseller list over the past few weeks. Your comment is insulting to both my family and Frank Herbert.

First, would you consider the success of Frank's original DUNE series based on their placement on the bestseller lists during their release? If so, you might want to look back on that and ponder it before asserting such a riduculous claim/query.

Second, as Frank often said, "Time will dictate how a work is perceived via how long it remains in the mainstream consciousness." So jumping up and down on the NY Times list is nice (and we note it) but it isn't what dictates how well or how bad a work will do over time.

Freakzilla wrote:Don't you know that?

TheDukester wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:Don't you know that?

Well, I do now.

I swear, being address-blocked over there was the biggest favor Byron ever did me. I wouldn't post there if I got paid $10 for every entry.

That Other Guy wrote:

boardadmin wrote:Hi,

I recently deleted your "comment" to the HLP regarding our interpretation as to the success or failure of PAUL OF DUNE due to its listings on the NY Times Bestseller list over the past few weeks. Your comment is insulting to both my family and Frank Herbert.

First, would you consider the success of Frank's original DUNE series based on their placement on the bestseller lists during their release? If so, you might want to look back on that and ponder it before asserting such a riduculous claim/query.

Second, as Frank often said, "Time will dictate how a work is perceived via how long it remains in the mainstream consciousness." So jumping up and down on the NY Times list is nice (and we note it) but it isn't what dictates how well or how bad a work will do over time.

This almost is not worth the time it takes to write, and as you will not allow the issue to be discussed publicly, is merely shouting into the wind.

I do not think you could rationally explain how my giving the facts of the NYT list in relation to the book in question and asking how the HLP plans to respond in the face of commerical & critical failure could possibly be construed as a personal "attack" on you and your "family", much less Frank Herbert himself.

As to claim about the NYT listing of the original book and its relation to the current situation, in the first place, I can look back and ponder upon it, because I was there. (I must say, Bryon, I've been surprised. In some of our first communications, when you banned me the first time from your "forum", I gave you my full, legal name.)

I would say that when Dune was first published in 1965 (you would not remember this (I do not know how old you are, I'm not even sure which one you are) you would have either been shitting yourself or not born) the "genre" of this type of fiction was quite different. Popularity, distribution, sales, etc. are not comparable.

You continued:
"Second, as Frank often said, "Time will dictate how a work is perceived via how long it remains in the mainstream consciousness.""

This is true. And it did not take long to perceive the nature of the new books. Two or three paragraphs of House Atredies was enough to know that this was in no way a continuation of my friend's life work, that it was an exploitation of his name and the scribblings of a Star Wars comic book ghost writer.

And in fairness, Bryon, you must admit that you started the thread you deleted, crowing about the debut of the new book at number 11. When the book dropped like a rock, surely you must have anticipated some discussion.

You cannot argue that the new book is not a commercial and critical failure, without ignoring the facts of the situation.

Surely you were not suprised then by my (genuine) question as to the HLP's plans for the future of the franchise in light of this dismal and obvious failure. By your response, I suppose I have my answer - damn the torpedos, full steam ahead.

Deleting the entire thread, however, seems a bit ..... extreme.

SandRider wrote:That guy I know that knows the other guy said he (the last guy) sent a PM back to Bryon
and sent it to him (the first guy), who sent it to me:

SandChigger wrote:My gawd, is there a single testicle in that whole family now?

chanilover wrote:All this bad Godfather "you insult my family" crap is getting so old.

TheDukester wrote:...if you can't handle your family being discussed ... then ... you probably shouldn't even be on the internet at all.

nuduneman wrote:To the Five People Who Post on this "Forum":

One or two of you may have noticed that an entire thread has been deleted. (I may be generous here.)
This thread had been entitled "New York Times Bestseller Debut" or something equally pretentious, started
by "boardadmin", the "adminstrator" of this "forum", Bryon Merritt, who claims to be the grandson of Frank
Herbert.

The reason for this is simple. Paul of Dune is a critical and commercial failure. This is not an opinion.
This is a supportable fact. I pointed this out in a post, and asked if this dismal & obvious failure would
cause the "HLP" to reconsider the future of the franchise, implying then new writers, as the hired gun and
namesake have already completed what little work they intend to do on the next serial, Jessica of Dune.

In normal circumstances, this post would have simply been deleted. That in itself is an indication of the sad
state of affairs of the public relations arm of the HLP. However, the entire thread brought attention to my
point - that the book dropped from sight on the bestsellers list faster than even the die-hard OH community
thought it would, because it is, in fact, (not opinion), a critical and commercial failure.

Byron sent me a Private Message explaining why he "deleted my comment", but made no mention of deleting
the entire thread. His reasoning was mostly jibberish and quite insane, but I read it anyway, and sent him a
Private Message with my refutation.

I will assume that because this refutation questions the very basis for his existenance, that Byron will now
"ban" this username when he finally reads it. (Which as of this moment, he has not; he has also not removed
the latest "registered user" PoD insults FH's legacy!; his skills as an adminstrator are suspect at best,
and if I were one of you Five, I'd complain to .... well, to Arnoldo, I suppose.) Since the said banning is
imminent, whenever Bryon awakens from his drug-hazed sleep, I will post here the orginal message that
caused such fear and consternation that the entire thread was deleted, the Private Message from Byron to
myself, and my Private reply, knowing full well that this topic will be deleted as well, but also knowing that
while it is up, it will be copied and disseminated on other Dune discussion boards.

nuduneman wrote:Paul of Dune debuted on the New York Times Bestseller List on October 5th at #11,
falling the next week, October 12th to #18, where it remained for one additional week
before dropping to #25. As of today, the current rankings for next week, November 02,
do not list the book in the top 35.

As this is the Official Dune Website, I will post this question to the HLP: With the rapid
drop-off in sales and no major postive reviews of the book, will Paul of Dune now
be considered a commercial and critical failure, and will the HLP reconsider the future
of the franchise ?

nuduneman wrote:

boardadmin wrote:Hi,

I recently deleted your "comment" to the HLP regarding our interpretation as to the success or failure of PAUL OF DUNE due to its listings on the NY Times Bestseller list over the past few weeks. Your comment is insulting to both my family and Frank Herbert.

First, would you consider the success of Frank's original DUNE series based on their placement on the bestseller lists during their release? If so, you might want to look back on that and ponder it before asserting such a riduculous claim/query.

Second, as Frank often said, "Time will dictate how a work is perceived via how long it remains in the mainstream consciousness." So jumping up and down on the NY Times list is nice (and we note it) but it isn't what dictates how well or how bad a work will do over time.

This almost is not worth the time it takes to write, and as you will not allow the issue to be discussed publicly, is merely shouting into the wind.

I do not think you could rationally explain how my giving the facts of the NYT list in relation to the book in question and asking how the HLP plans to respond in the face of commerical & critical failure could possibly be construed as a personal "attack" on you and your "family", much less Frank Herbert himself.

As to claim about the NYT listing of the original book and its relation to the current situation, in the first place, I can look back and ponder upon it, because I was there. (I must say, Bryon, I've been surprised. In some of our first communications, when you banned me the first time from your "forum", I gave you my full, legal name.) I would say that when Dune was first published in 1965 (you would not remember this (I do not know how old you are, I'm not even sure which one you are) you would have either been shitting yourself or not born) the "genre" of this type of fiction was quite different. Popularity, distribution, sales, etc. are not comparable.

You continued:
"Second, as Frank often said, "Time will dictate how a work is perceived via how long it remains in the mainstream consciousness.""

This is true. And it did not take long to perceive the nature of the new books. Two or three paragraphs of House Atredies was enough to know that this was in no way a continuation of my friend's life work, that it was an exploitation of his name and the scribblings of a Star Wars comic book ghost writer.

And in fairness, Bryon, you must admit that you started the thread you deleted, crowing about the debut of the new book at number 11. When the book dropped like a rock, surely you must have anticipated some discussion.

You cannot argue that the new book is not a commercial and critical failure, without ignoring the facts of the situation.

Surely you were not suprised then by my (genuine) question as to the HLP's plans for the future of the franchise in light of this dismal and obvious failure. By your response, I suppose I have my answer - damn the torpedos, full steam ahead.

Deleting the entire thread, however, seems a bit ..... extreme.

Seraphan wrote:Hey Dukester, how many times has he pulled the "you're insulting my family" bullshit? Just curious.