Posted: 08 Dec 2008 17:13
yup - 2001 Best Novel (aka the one Dune, Stranger in a Strange Land, The Dispossessed and nothing written by Kevin J Anderson has won)
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Posted: 08 Dec 2008 18:33
I have never read any Harry Potter books, but still, that one went right over my head. I remember some talk at the time where people thought it deserved because it brought so many readers to the genres.
Posted: 16 Dec 2008 01:13
It is the Uglies series. Genetic modification and it may be a different book but he did a take on vampires that was science fiction.Omphalos wrote:Are you talking about Westerfeld's Beauties series? Is that SF?
John C. Wright is supposed to have a winner with his YA fantasy stuff. I personally thought his SF was way, way too complicated, but I liked his short story about the royal court in space. Think it was called Guest Law or something like that.
Rob
Posted: 16 Dec 2008 22:34
I need a short synopsis of what's going on here.
This is what I've come up with:
This is what I've come up with:
What vital points have I missed or am unaware of ?The short story is: KJA is a Star Wars comic book hack. Brian is
essentially brain dead and has little input other than to sign the
HLP checks. Frank's Dune7 notes either don't exist or KJA didn't
use them at all. Byron Merritt (aka boardadmin) is an asshole,
who's dad married Frank's daughter. (Frank didn't like Byron, either)
Posted: 16 Dec 2008 23:02
KJA is a hack period, don't insult the good comic book writers by lumping that piece of shit with them.
Rob
Rob
Posted: 17 Dec 2008 00:42
That's it. Uglies. I might get around to those someday.Robspierre wrote:It is the Uglies series. Genetic modification and it may be a different book but he did a take on vampires that was science fiction.Omphalos wrote:Are you talking about Westerfeld's Beauties series? Is that SF?
John C. Wright is supposed to have a winner with his YA fantasy stuff. I personally thought his SF was way, way too complicated, but I liked his short story about the royal court in space. Think it was called Guest Law or something like that.
Rob
Anda re you talking about The Empire Risen series? There are two books in that one and I have read the first half of book number one. Good stuff, but it was about undead, but I dont remember vampires. Maybe psychic vampires, not blood drinkers, but there were a resurrected family of immortals that ran the empire, and the daughter of one of them was captured by a nanotech wielding army in the beginning of one book.
Posted: 17 Dec 2008 00:52
"All have sold their souls to worship at the altar of money."SandRider wrote:What vital points have I missed or am unaware of ?
Posted: 17 Dec 2008 00:58
Omphalos wrote:Maybe psychic vampires, not blood drinkers, but there were a resurrected family of immortals that ran the empire, and the daughter of one of them was captured by a nanotech wielding army in the beginning of one book.
I ... nah, nope, never mind.
Posted: 17 Dec 2008 02:01
right, right, raping Frank's Legacy for profit & semi-fame. 'Kay.TheDukester wrote:"All have sold their souls to worship at the altar of money."SandRider wrote:What vital points have I missed or am unaware of ?
And the whole "Masterpiece of American Literature" thing.
I just need a short paragraph that hits all the high points.
Posted: 17 Dec 2008 03:25
SandChigger wrote:Omphalos wrote:Maybe psychic vampires, not blood drinkers, but there were a resurrected family of immortals that ran the empire, and the daughter of one of them was captured by a nanotech wielding army in the beginning of one book.
I ... nah, nope, never mind.
Go ahead. Fire away. I didn't write the fucking thing.
Posted: 17 Dec 2008 04:00
I know. I was just going to say that if that's how they described it on the cover, I would immediately lump it into my "Midget Porn" category.
(= I would only consider watching/reading it AFTER the last trump on Judgement Day had sounded.
)
You read some incredible (and I mean unbelievable) stuff.
(= I would only consider watching/reading it AFTER the last trump on Judgement Day had sounded.
)You read some incredible (and I mean unbelievable) stuff.
Posted: 17 Dec 2008 12:51
You know, I only read the first third or half of the first book or so, but I kind of liked it. It actually reminded me of Dune, only with high tech. I think I said a long time ago over on DN when we were debating to to replace KJA with after the revolution that I thought this guy, Westerfeld, could handle a Dune story pretty well.
Posted: 18 Dec 2008 00:43
Westerfields' vampire series starts with Peeps, heard good things about it, haven't read the Empire Risen books. Look Interesting.
Rob
Rob
Posted: 18 Dec 2008 14:34
What the hell does THIS mean ?boardadmin wrote:Or Kraz ...never mind.Muad'Dib56 wrote:As i was watching all of these people say how much they have been waiting for a Dune movie, i was reminded of how the BG also wanted their own KH and i thought its hilarious, cuz in a sense, the Dune movie, to us fans, is our own Kwisatz Haderach.
Dont u agree?
Posted: 18 Dec 2008 15:15
Could he have meant "Kral..." for Kralizec? Probably. Perhpas the typhoon struggle is spelled Krazilec over at DN.SandRider wrote:What the hell does THIS mean ?boardadmin wrote:Or Kraz ...never mind.Muad'Dib56 wrote:As i was watching all of these people say how much they have been waiting for a Dune movie, i was reminded of how the BG also wanted their own KH and i thought its hilarious, cuz in a sense, the Dune movie, to us fans, is our own Kwisatz Haderach.
Dont u agree?
Posted: 18 Dec 2008 16:26
OK. So Merritt is saying the New Movie is Kralizec? The Typhoon Struggle at the End of the Universe ?
Posted: 18 Dec 2008 16:30
I'm still looking for that SMALL MOTE of sanity, decency and rationality
in Bryon Merritt that shows he KNOWS what's going on, and it's tearing
at his soul.
in Bryon Merritt that shows he KNOWS what's going on, and it's tearing
at his soul.
Posted: 18 Dec 2008 17:45
Why? Isn't it too late for him?SandRider wrote:I'm still looking for that SMALL MOTE of sanity, decency and rationality
in Bryon Merritt that shows he KNOWS what's going on, and it's tearing
at his soul.
Posted: 18 Dec 2008 17:49
Most days I think that it is, and curse his name and damn him to hell.
Other days, I think he could save the whole thing, if he had balls enough to do it.
Which brings me all the way back around, because he's never demonstrated any backbone.
Other days, I think he could save the whole thing, if he had balls enough to do it.
Which brings me all the way back around, because he's never demonstrated any backbone.
Posted: 18 Dec 2008 19:53
I always have to think, is it Krazilec or Kralizec? He obviously didn't bother to check.
Yeah, he's just commenting on the fact that most of us are pissed that Source of All Shit Kevin J. Anderson is involved with the new movie.
I wouldn't read anything more into it. Like he has inside knowledge that they're going to subliminally insert Norma into every scene.
Yeah, he's just commenting on the fact that most of us are pissed that Source of All Shit Kevin J. Anderson is involved with the new movie.
I wouldn't read anything more into it. Like he has inside knowledge that they're going to subliminally insert Norma into every scene.
Posted: 26 Dec 2008 23:26
from "The Landsraad Interview" // 11 July 2002 :
In a forward to House Atreides, Brian Herbert mentions that he will use Frank Herbert’s notes to someday write a Dune 7 novel, thereby completing the storyline of Chapterhouse: Dune. Will you be involved in that project and can you share any details?
I'll definitely be writing it with him -- that was the project that originally made me contact Brian. We have the outline for the Grand Finale and how it wraps up all the storylines, so we are laying the basis for much of it in our prequels. However, the Grand Finale should really be the last one...why go back and fill in a few more holes after we write THE END?
Posted: 26 Dec 2008 23:57
Not to mention why write two trilogies of unnecessary prequels (not even necessary with their mangling of FH's intentions in their sequels)?
Is there any word given to their gap-filling? Inter-quel?
Is there any word given to their gap-filling? Inter-quel?
Posted: 27 Dec 2008 00:04
Yes. Paul was the optimistic hero at the end of Dune and in Dune Messiah he's become a dark tyrant. The question they try to and fail to answer is: "How Paul became so dark?"Schu wrote:Not to mention why write two trilogies of unnecessary prequels (not even necessary with their mangling of FH's intentions in their sequels)?
Is there any word given to their gap-filling? Inter-quel?
Morons.
Anyone with some reading comprehension skills would have realized that Paul was never really an "optimistic" character, having always reminding himself that he has a terrible purpose and that even as the story enters into its finale Paul realizes that even without him as a person that the jihad would continue in his name.
I'll say it again even though it doesn't need repeating: they're morons.
Posted: 27 Dec 2008 05:46
And their moron readers accept everything they say at face value.
Paul was an optimistic hero at the end of Dune. Then a dark tyrant by Messiah.
Kevin has written it. So they believe.
Paul was an optimistic hero at the end of Dune. Then a dark tyrant by Messiah.
Kevin has written it. So they believe.
Posted: 27 Dec 2008 09:28
Oh, I'm sorry, the correct answer was "Money", kids; we were looking for "Money" ....SandRider wrote:from "The Landsraad Interview" // 11 July 2002 :
In a forward to House Atreides, Brian Herbert mentions that he will use Frank Herbert’s notes to someday write a Dune 7 novel, thereby completing the storyline of Chapterhouse: Dune. Will you be involved in that project and can you share any details?
I'll definitely be writing it with him -- that was the project that originally made me contact Brian. We have the outline for the Grand Finale and how it wraps up all the storylines, so we are laying the basis for much of it in our prequels. However, the Grand Finale should really be the last one...why go back and fill in a few more holes after we write THE END?