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Over There >> For Lovers of Classic Dune Only >> Questions on Tleilaxu Vocabulary

monday, Bel Moulay wrote: I've heard so much about the Tleilaxu just from reading these forums and the most slightest hints and such from each book. So I started Heretics of Dune the other day and I was so excited to get to the chapter with the Tleilaxu and when we're introduced to the character Waff. While reading it I was kinda confused not so much by the Atreides Manifesto or anything just all of their vocabulary which I guess refers to their societal rank? Also there were times when FH would spell the word Khel in one sentence then Kehl in another. I've noticed these spelling errors a lot in his other books like the embarassing "Streides" when Gurney is re-united with Paul in Dune 1.

Okay so now for my vocabulary list...

Mahai
Masheikh
Ghufan
Powindah
Domel
Kehl (or Khel?)
Islamiyat
Shariat


I was wondering if there's anyone who could breifly summarize the Tleilaxu social structure as well... Master B?

{three posts by Simon quoting wikipedia at length}

wednesday, Bel Moulay wrote:I think I'll just wait for Tleilaxu Master B lol. Anyways I really don't fully trust Wikipedia I've read some articles on there before on the subject of my major and saw how lacking and indecisive it can be. I mean I know there's not much to lie about or hide making an article about Dune books there but I'm just a full on anti-wiki lol.
Master B?

I also just wanted someone; anyone, to define those Tleilaxu words. Like are those social castes; powindah being the highest, domel the lowest?

Seraphan wrote:So this is what Kevin "Mountain Dew" Anderson is doing to gullible people! Braging about having fans like these is like saying you have cancer with a smile in your face.

Nekhrun wrote:

Seraphan wrote:So this is what Kevin "Mountain Dew" Anderson is doing to gullible people! Braging about having fans like these is like saying you have cancer with a smile in your face.

Don't you dare associate that nectar of the gods with that talentless hack

TheDukester wrote:

SandRider wrote:Duke - can you shop in a slobbering Zombie lurking around the corner ?

I'd love to, but my Photoshop skills are sadly lacking. Beyond color-correction and Unsharp Mask, I'm pretty hopeless ...

(Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:41 am) Simon wrote:Hope this helped. (For some reason the section with the Slig description wouldn't post...)

Here is a link to the source page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlilaxu

(Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:43 pm) byrodadmin wrote:

Old Fremen wrote:This is the closest I have ever come to it found it a couple of years back. Enjoy http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/49 ... #duneguild

Cool. Thanks for the link.

(Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:23 pm) newfacedancer wrote:Robert Monroe, the creator Hemi Sync, has written about his out-of-body experiences in "Journey Out of Body." In the book he described encountering the Gray Aliens while astral traveling. I think many of them are of the dark side. In the 80's many people were trying to fight them psychically. Some people have said that they are sterils and need human DNA. I did have a psychic encounter with a taller race of the Grays. I felt they were positive and not of the dark side. They did have a spirit of someone who all I was shown was his jogging shorts and sneakers with them. Maybe they will take him to another planet to incarnate on.

A friend of mine went to a talk by an Apache medicine man in the early 90's. He said that at the Roswell site the Apaches found one of the Grays alive and took him to a cave. He lived for a few years. They communicated with him telepathically.

Hopefully, with the new administration there will be a full disclosure about UFO's and ET's.

Miriam Blue Star: Project Camelot interviews Miriam Delicado
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ4Q1jKTNVI

The spiritual supermarket is full of frauds and charlatans. Sometimes I second guess myself and get conned. I don't feel like I am in bad company, even Donald Trump has been conned.

At first, I thought the video of Miriam was really out there. I thougt it might freak people out. But, I did have an intuition that she is a fraud and just wants to make money. In her defense, she has a lot of chutzpah and is highly creative. Too bad she is using her abilities in a bady way. Maybe it's her karma.

Sometimes the spiritual can get very tricky. It's easy to get conned by some so-called spiritual teachers that can appear in your dreams. Mother Meera is one example of this. She is a so-called avatar, who is an incarnation of one of the many aspects of the Divine Mother. I had a few experiences of her in creamtime, but after reading Andrew Harvey's book, "Sun at Midnight" I realized she was highly developed black magician.

Maybe darkness is necessary in order to grow, but it seems like there is so much of it in the world. Of course, we live in a time where anything can happen. Maybe it will be a time of the reemergence of the feminine. I have experienced at the church I attend that women love God at a level that it is terrifying to most men.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081122...epal_buddha_boy

Over There >> For Lovers of Classic Dune Only >> Heresy ! // 15 Jan 2008

Loremaster wrote: Byron, do you know if Frank had already written/outlined much of messiah when writing Dune? And which parts necessarily? (having written about the conspiracy etc or chanis death doesnt necessarily mean the universe's perception of Paul had shifted like it had)

Merritt wrote:After he'd finished Dune, he began thinking about what happened to Paul and the Fremen (he told me this once). He hadn't written anything about Messiah while writing Dune.

Dune Genesis by Frank Herbert July 1980 Omni Magazine

Dune began with a concept whose mostly unfleshed images took shape across about six years of research and one and a half years of writing. The story was all in my head until it appeared on paper as I typed it out. How did it evolve? I conceived of a long novel, the whole trilogy as one book about the messianic convulsions that periodically overtake us.
~~~
Of course there are other themes and fugal interplays in Dune and throughout the trilogy. Dune Messiah performs a classic inversion of the theme. Children of Dune expands the number of themes interplaying.

Vertex Interview October 1973

VERTEX: What caused you to write Dune?

HERBERT: Well, I had been nurturing the idea to write a treatment of the messianic impulse in human society for a long while, and my technique is to collect material. I collect file folders of material. A character idea interests me, and I put that in a folder appropriately labeled. Along the way I went to Florence, Oregon, to do an article about the U. S. Department of Agriculture's test station there, on the control of sand dunes. The U. S. pioneered in the control of sand dunes by planting specially developed grasses and other plants to hold a dune in the wind. You see, a sand dune is just a kind of fluid, only it takes longer for it to move. It creates waves that, when you see them from the air, are analogous to waves in a sea.

VERTEX: A slow-motion sea.

HERBERT: Yes, that's right. So, I did this magazine article and I started collecting material on the control of sand dunes. That lead me into ecological matters what we were doing to the planet. One day I woke up to the fact that I had a filing drawer full and that I just couldn't do anything else but write that book. So I sat down and I plotted a much longer work than Dune.

VERTEX: Dune is a pretty long work to begin with.

HERBERT:I know! It was much longer. I cut it up into three parts, and held out more than a third of it for the first book. I sat down and took about a year and a half putting it together, writing it. My reports from the New York market were very poor and my treatment by some of the publishers back there was just outrageous. Then I went back, even before I knew that Dune was being so successful, and wrote Dune Messiah, which was planned as a pivotal book, pointing both backward and forward, because I had a long range concept of the treatment of this messianic impulse in huma n society. I'm at work on the third and last one, which will probably turn out to be as long as Dune. How soon I can finish it, I don't know, because life and other immediate and urgent jobs keep intruding. But I'll get to it and I'll get it out, probably this year.

VERTEX: Do you have a title for it?

HERBERT: No. I have a working title, but I try not to talk about work in progress. My advice to any writer is not to use the energies of creation in talking about what he's working on; put it into the typewriter. You use the same energies to talk about y our work that you use to write it. So I'm very cagey on these things, very secretive, and I hold all this back and then when I sit down at the typewriter it sort of pours out.

Nekhrun wrote:Irulan wrote that Vertex interview.

SandChigger wrote:OK, here's my picks for today's dumbest posts over on "Dumb Posts R Us!":

Category: Illiterate Dummies. In the "Tleilaxu Vocabulary" thread:

(Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:41 am) Simon wrote:Hope this helped. (For some reason the section with the Slig description wouldn't post...)

Here is a link to the source page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlilaxu

He misspelled Tleilaxu but evidently enough other dumbfooks have done the same often enough that they have a redirect that catches it!

SandChigger wrote:OK, here's my picks for today's dumbest posts over on "Dumb Posts R Us!":

Category: Illiterate Dummies. In the "Tleilaxu Vocabulary" thread:

(Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:41 am) Simon wrote:Hope this helped. (For some reason the section with the Slig description wouldn't post...)

Here is a link to the source page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlilaxu

He misspelled Tleilaxu but evidently enough other dumbfooks have done the same often enough that they have a redirect that catches it!

Category: Clueless Dune Site BBS Admins. In the "fremen alphabet" thread:

(Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:43 pm) byrodadmin wrote:

Old Fremen wrote:This is the closest I have ever come to it found it a couple of years back. Enjoy http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/49 ... #duneguild

Cool. Thanks for the link.

He's just now finding out about those fonts?

(Baliset's post at the end about the use of fonts is intelligent and helpful ... and will probably go unheeded. Fremen, as a variant of Arabic, is written right to left ... according to the Dune Encyclopedia, at least. )

Category: Chigger Rave. As always, my all time favorite has to be anything posted by newfaceduncer! Found two new (to me) posts this morning! In the prana-bindu practical application thread.

(Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:23 pm) newfacedancer wrote:Robert Monroe, the creator Hemi Sync, has written about his out-of-body experiences in "Journey Out of Body." In the book he described encountering the Gray Aliens while astral traveling. I think many of them are of the dark side. In the 80's many people were trying to fight them psychically. Some people have said that they are sterils and need human DNA. I did have a psychic encounter with a taller race of the Grays. I felt they were positive and not of the dark side. They did have a spirit of someone who all I was shown was his jogging shorts and sneakers with them. Maybe they will take him to another planet to incarnate on.

A friend of mine went to a talk by an Apache medicine man in the early 90's. He said that at the Roswell site the Apaches found one of the Grays alive and took him to a cave. He lived for a few years. They communicated with him telepathically.

Hopefully, with the new administration there will be a full disclosure about UFO's and ET's.

Miriam Blue Star: Project Camelot interviews Miriam Delicado
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ4Q1jKTNVI

Oh what a delightful loon he is! So...he went off to some fake Indian commune, got stoned and then the "tribe" had a party in his bum. (Those shorts and sneakers he remembers were his own; got a good look at them while they held his ankles up by his ears.)

The spiritual supermarket is full of frauds and charlatans. Sometimes I second guess myself and get conned. I don't feel like I am in bad company, even Donald Trump has been conned.

At first, I thought the video of Miriam was really out there. I thougt it might freak people out. But, I did have an intuition that she is a fraud and just wants to make money. In her defense, she has a lot of chutzpah and is highly creative. Too bad she is using her abilities in a bady way. Maybe it's her karma.

Sometimes the spiritual can get very tricky. It's easy to get conned by some so-called spiritual teachers that can appear in your dreams. Mother Meera is one example of this. She is a so-called avatar, who is an incarnation of one of the many aspects of the Divine Mother. I had a few experiences of her in creamtime, but after reading Andrew Harvey's book, "Sun at Midnight" I realized she was highly developed black magician.

Maybe darkness is necessary in order to grow, but it seems like there is so much of it in the world. Of course, we live in a time where anything can happen. Maybe it will be a time of the reemergence of the feminine. I have experienced at the church I attend that women love God at a level that it is terrifying to most men.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081122...epal_buddha_boy

Do you think "creamtime" was a Freudian typo? Or was he making a funny?

Maybe he would perceive less darkness around him if he pulled his head out of his ass?

Ah, ya gotta love what a waste that place has become!

Simon wrote:

SandChigger wrote:OK, here's my picks for today's dumbest posts over on "Dumb Posts R Us!":

Category: Illiterate Dummies. In the "Tleilaxu Vocabulary" thread:

(Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:41 am) Simon wrote:Hope this helped. (For some reason the section with the Slig description wouldn't post...)

Here is a link to the source page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlilaxu

He misspelled Tleilaxu but evidently enough other dumbfooks have done the same often enough that they have a redirect that catches it!

Not my spelling. But I'm sure that doesn't matter to you, spastically lashing out at anything that doesn't fit into your little box.

Question: Is that the box the clown shoes came in?

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:I'm seriously believing that Byron never had more than two-phrases dialog with his grandfather. He never really knew Frank Herbert, and probably only saw him at some extraordinary moments, like Christmas, easter,...

Drunken Idaho wrote:

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:I'm seriously believing that Byron never had more than two-phrases dialog with his grandfather. He never really knew Frank Herbert, and probably only saw him at some extraordinary moments, like Christmas, easter,...

Yeah, probably... Christmas, Easter, Funeral...

Simon wrote:Not my spelling. But I'm sure that doesn't matter to you, spastically lashing out at anything that doesn't fit into your little box.

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Question: Is that the box the clown shoes came in?

What do you mean, it's "not your spelling"? It's in your post, dipshit

SandChigger wrote:What do you mean, it's "not your spelling"? It's in your post, dipshit

The poster formerly known as Simon wrote:coming from a racist like yourself it means nothing

The poster formerly known as Simon then wrote:I have more important things to concern myself with...

Simon wrote: More name calling? It's OK though, coming from a racist like yourself it means nothing and is utterly laughable.