"New Canon" inconsistencies....

orald · Post by **orald** » 06 Jun 2008 20:47

Pail of Dung? You'd think they'd at least have toilets so far in the future.

chanilover · Post by **chanilover** » 07 Jun 2008 12:40

BH wrote:
chanilover wrote:...Did you know when Liet was left out in the sands after having his stillsuit ripped off him from some hungry Harkonnen tops, he was laughed at when they saw he was wearing a see-through negligee underneath.
When the new movie comes out you can thank me for that part. I wrote that. It was the ultimate negligee, and it made him feel like a goddess. I asked Kevin if he would put it into his book Paul of Dude, too, but I have'not heard back yet.

I don't know why you hang around with Kevin, he's such a clapped-out old circuit queen.

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » 24 Jun 2008 22:14

I think it's about time we went through and found each and every inconsistency, and put them all into a word document or pdf.

Hm...too bad Arrakeen is down, we had a list over there, too, didn't we?

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 24 Jun 2008 22:17

It is time. We have evolved. We are ... Omnius?

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » 24 Jun 2008 22:35

SandChigger wrote:It is time. We have evolved. We are ... Omnius?

I have a dream. A dream that someday, we can present to the HLP and all Dune fans, new and old, a single document, detailing all the inconsistencies in all of the Dune books ever written. It will contain a single page of inconsistencies among the original six Dune books, and not just certain inconsistencies, even things that can be justified, but MIGHT be inconsistencies. It will then lead into a twenty or so page document detailing all of the inconsistencies in the new books, and it will ONLY include the inconsistencies that cannot be justified in any way.

Ideally, it would involve simply direct quotes contradicting each other.

And we will let the hacks try to justify their hackery, but we will laugh at them, and tell them to go shove their justifications up their rectums.

Seraphan · Post by **Seraphan** » 04 Jul 2008 12:21

I don't know if any of you has seen this (it got deleted in the official novel forums), so i post it here, it's made by penny arcade and it just sumarises it all so well about the new authors http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/10/15/, click in "news" below the comic strip.

orald · Post by **orald** » 05 Jul 2008 00:41

without clicking I assume it's the infamous "they're raping FH's corpse" strip?

Post by **Omphalos** » 05 Jul 2008 01:41

Is it really that hard to click?

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » 05 Jul 2008 01:48

I love Penny Arcade.

orald · Post by **orald** » 05 Jul 2008 06:28

Omphalos wrote:Is it really that hard to click?

Hmm...yes, yes it is.

Usually such popular sites load pretty slow for me, even with my so-called broadband.
That's why I never click on DN, My Space or Facebook links.
Even some webcomics are heavy, and not just their images.

GamePlayer · Post by **GamePlayer** » 05 Jul 2008 11:11

Thank gawd for the internet

orald · Post by **orald** » 05 Jul 2008 12:25

Gawd had nothing to do with it, it was all Al Gore's work.
Get your facts straight, dammit.

GamePlayer · Post by **GamePlayer** » 05 Jul 2008 12:38

An Inconvenient Messiah?

TheDukester · Post by **TheDukester** » 05 Jul 2008 18:09

Yeah, that Penny Arcade is an all-timer. Those guys do not mess around when something really bothers them.

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » 05 Jul 2008 20:00

TheDukester wrote:Yeah, that Penny Arcade is an all-timer. Those guys do not mess around when something really bothers them.

The ironic part is that only Tycho hates the books. Gabe hasn't even read them(any of the Dune books), and actually liked KJA's Star Wars books.

Tycho, of course, is the writer of the pair, and Gabe is the artist.

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » 16 Jul 2008 23:58

I just read a few of the end chapters of Sandworms. I'm amazed that I can read anything worse than what you can find on Dunenovels, but there it is.

I found another contradiction of sorts? (Sandworms is one colossal contradiction, but hey, whatever). Apparently, Duncan and Murbella's daughters go by ______ Idaho. But have we ever seen any evidence that Bene Gesserit go by a paternal naming convention? I would assume, if "Odrade" (daughter of Miles Teg) is a derived form of "Atreides," then she most probably got it through her Reverend Mother...mother. Besides, it makes a ton of sense for a matriarchal society to pass names down through the women...except in cases such as Teg's mother, who married into a family outside of the Bene Gesserit, and probably chose to take Teg as a last name.

I don't remember Murbella and Duncan getting married.

Tleszer · Post by **Tleszer** » 17 Jul 2008 06:05

Phaedrus wrote:I just read a few of the end chapters of Sandworms. I'm amazed that I can read anything worse than what you can find on Dunenovels, but there it is.

I found another contradiction of sorts? (Sandworms is one colossal contradiction, but hey, whatever). Apparently, Duncan and Murbella's daughters go by ______ Idaho. But have we ever seen any evidence that Bene Gesserit go by a paternal naming convention? I would assume, if "Odrade" (daughter of Miles Teg) is a derived form of "Atreides," then she most probably got it through her Reverend Mother...mother. Besides, it makes a ton of sense for a matriarchal society to pass names down through the women...except in cases such as Teg's mother, who married into a family outside of the Bene Gesserit, and probably chose to take Teg as a last name.

I don't remember Murbella and Duncan getting married.

The daughters found out Duncan was their father and out of respect for him and his skills as a Swordmaster of Ginaz they took the Idaho name. Maybe I have a different mindset than the others here, but I don't find that premise bad, just the way it was written and handled...

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » 17 Jul 2008 10:49

Ah, well that explains that.

I thought Bene Gesserit weren't supposed to find those things out until the Agony.

Tleszer · Post by **Tleszer** » 17 Jul 2008 20:43

I could be wrong, and I don't really want to go back through Sadworms to find out, but I think it was after the Agony. It could have been before since Duncan Idaho is quite the celebrity. He goes into hiding for a while then come back out with all sorts of new antics.

Still, I hope he's not the Britney Spears of the Duniverse...

Rakis · Post by **Rakis** » 17 Jul 2008 23:58

Tleszer wrote:I could be wrong, and I don't really want to go back through Sadworms to find out, but I think it was after the Agony. It could have been before since Duncan Idaho is quite the celebrity. He goes into hiding for a while then come back out with all sorts of new antics.

Still, I hope he's not the Britney Spears of the Duniverse...

It was in Hunters and it was after the Agony...Janess (?), i think, the one that calls herself Bashar idaho

Tleszer · Post by **Tleszer** » 18 Jul 2008 06:07

Hunters and Sandworms are two big blurs that should only have been one blur... or even no blur at all

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 18 Jul 2008 09:34

Quite.

orald · Post by **orald** » 18 Jul 2008 10:03

Tleszer wrote:Hunters and Sandworms are two big blurs that should only have been one blur... or even no blur at all

Somehow I read that as "two big slurs" the first time round.

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » 21 Jul 2008 23:59

"Truly, I am the Kwisatz Haderach!"
-Duncan Idaho in Sandworms

"The Sisters will now imagine I'm at least a potential Kwisatz Haderach. Another Muad'Dib. Bullcrap! As you're so fond of saying, Duncan. Neither of us would risk that. We know what he created and we're not stupid!"
-Miles Teg

Administrator Gorus groaned. "Will they never stop?"
"No." Murbella scowled at him for forcing her to state the obvious. "They are thinking
machines."

Machines always fail . . . given time.
-Leto II

I could do this all day.

inhuien · Post by **inhuien** » 22 Jul 2008 04:09

It may be shooting fish in a barrel but they are fun to read.