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Posted: 29 Mar 2008 19:55
by SandChigger
Text says "the beauty of woman." Makes perfect sense as is, is not an error. Articles do not work the same in different languages. (Spanish and French, IIRC, would require a 'la' before 'woman' in this case; would Hebrew have a definite article only on 'woman', Orald?)
I get paid to explain these things and I'm off the clock right now. Get rid of the attitude and replace it with a grammar book, Fantomas.
Posted: 29 Mar 2008 20:13
by orald
Funny, I was sure you always need "a" before a singular form.
And wouldn't a plural, it being a general description of said gender's quality(i.e beauty), be more appropriate than a singular form, since we're not talking about a specific woman here?
Damn your language is
silly.

Posted: 29 Mar 2008 20:41
by Mandy
fantomas wrote:Mandy wrote:Could be a typo.
On the pdf or on the book?
bdw were you equivocated about t-p. acknowledge?
Well, I meant it could be a typo on either the book or the PDF, since there are many printings and the PDF could be taken from any of them. I don't know if it's a typo, just saying that it could be. The phrase makes sense to me either way, but that is because I am used to the weirdness of the English language.
I wasn't equivocating about t-p, I was making a joke and I think you took it the wrong way. I honestly didn't remember FH using t-p as an abbreviation for telepathy, and I honestly don't know why he would abbreviate the word. It's not like he used the word so often that it became tiresome to type out.
Posted: 29 Mar 2008 21:26
by SandChigger
It only appears twice in the books, both in
Dune; first in text:
"T-P?" the Emperor whispered. He snapped his attention back to Alia. "By the Great Mother!"
Second in the "Terminology":
T-P: idiomatic for telepathy.
It wasn't so much an abbreviation for FH's benefit, but depicts instead its currency among speakers in the Imperium, IMO. THEY found it expedient to use the shorter form.
As for the other...
the beauty of a woman - one particular woman, known to either the speaker or the hearer or possibly as yet unknown to both
the beauty of the woman - one particular woman, known to
both speaker and hearer
the beauty of women - generic, all women, women in general
the beauty of woman - universal, as an ideal
Are we happy?

Posted: 29 Mar 2008 21:29
by SandChigger
Now...whose f*cking turn is it?

Posted: 29 Mar 2008 21:36
by orald
I think it's mine, as I've given the 3 pleasures of life offered to Halleck.
But since I'm bad at riddles I'll pass it to...*ooh, feel the tension!* Chig!
And if he doesn't want he can name a successor.
Posted: 29 Mar 2008 21:48
by SandChigger
Works for me.
Her ardor was excessive.
Its fullness would have killed him.
And so she was stopped.
At less than half the count.
What was the number of God's mercy?

Posted: 29 Mar 2008 22:58
by Fantômas
SandChigger wrote: Get rid of the attitude and replace it with a grammar book, Fantomas.
and you do not have an attitude with new Dune fans, right?
I have read comments about your attitude.
You have said that you are proud to not only stick in the knife but to wiggled all around.
i think I do not like you. let's keep away from each other.
you have even commented about me in your forum when I was telling inhuen to stop bouncing. like you did not know it was a joke.
and your personal attack a little while ago. Double standard. i am used to it. But, I will not put up with your kind of abuse.
Let's keep away from each other.
to the rest, I am sorry you have to read this shit.
Posted: 29 Mar 2008 23:22
by Fantômas
orald wrote:I think it's mine, as I've given the 3 pleasures of life offered to Halleck.
SIMÓN is my way to say Yes Man. Meaning yes man you got the answer right.
Posted: 30 Mar 2008 00:26
by Rakis
to the rest, I am sorry you have to read this shit.
Indeed...Opinions are like diarrhea : It's not because you have one that we have to know about it...
Yes, it's a joke...

Posted: 30 Mar 2008 11:50
by Freakzilla
My Ace 1998 edition says "beauty of woman".
Posted: 30 Mar 2008 16:30
by orald
Freakzilla wrote:My Ace 1998 edition says "beauty of woman".
Yes, ok,
after overwhelming evidence has been amassed, I'll admit that's what FH wrote, which I had no way of telling for sure with a pirated PDF file and no hard-copy in English.
And I got the answer to the riddle:
The number of God's mercy is 20.
Shall I explain the riddle? Very well...
Nayla's devotion to God Leto is fanatical.
Her full lashing session of 50 lashes would have killed the BT embassador, Nunepi.
And so God Leto in his mercy(and political wisdom) ordered Duncan to stop her.
At 20 lashes, which is less than half of 50.
Turn goes to...oh, whoever has a riddle ready I guess, and posts first.
It really sucks I'm bad at making riddles.

Posted: 30 Mar 2008 17:38
by SandChigger
And the winner is Orald! 20 lashes it was.

Posted: 31 Mar 2008 07:48
by Freakzilla
orald wrote:...which I had no way of telling for sure with a pirated PDF file and no hard-copy in English.
Is scanning a book that you own, piracy? (I didn't scan it)
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 11:03
by Fantômas
What utilitarian piece of knowledge about His Guard corporal He thought beneficial for Him to know?
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 11:41
by Freakzilla
I believe it is Orald's turn.
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 12:57
by orald
Freakzilla wrote:Is scanning a book that you own, piracy? (I didn't scan it)
Well, hmm...If you mean getting a free PDF copy in english of a book I own in Hebrew...then the HLP and law would probably call it piracy, since I'd have to spend more money on purchesing an English edition.
To that I say "fat chance, biatches".
Thanks Freak, but It's Fantomas' turn, as I've said in my answer post:
Turn goes to...oh, whoever has a riddle ready I guess, and posts first.
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 13:24
by orald
fantomas wrote:What utilitarian piece of knowledge about His Guard corporal He thought beneficial for Him to know?
That he's addicted to semuta.
He is the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, and his guard corporal and new captain of guards, Iakin Nefud.
BTW, I figuered the answer without the PDF's, only checked them for verification and spelling of Nefud's name. Just so you know.
I'll pass the turn to anyone but Fantomas if I'm right, since we gotta have some variation, right?
I suggest every time we have someone answering correctly and he/she has no riddle ready/want to pass it(like myself, unless posted otherwise) that they give the turn to anyone but the one who last asked a riddle, unless nobody else has anything to ask.
Uh, did I make it clear enough?

Posted: 31 Mar 2008 13:51
by Fantômas
orald wrote:fantomas wrote:What utilitarian piece of knowledge about His Guard corporal He thought beneficial for Him to know?
That he's addicted to semuta.
He is the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, and his guard corporal and new captain of guards, Iakin Nefud.
BTW, I figuered the answer without the PDF's, only checked them for verification and spelling of Nefud's name. Just so you know.
I'll pass the turn to anyone but Fantomas if I'm right, since we gotta have some variation, right?
I suggest every time we have someone answering correctly and he/she has no riddle ready/want to pass it(like myself, unless posted otherwise) that they give the turn to anyone but the one who last asked a riddle, unless nobody else has anything to ask.
Uh, did I make it clear enough?

Clear, except (unless nobody else has anything to ask) then what?
Semuta, the drug-music combination that played itself in the deepest consciousness.
SIMÓN, your turn Orald. Thank you for not using PDF. Bravo!
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 16:33
by orald
fantomas wrote:Clear, except (unless nobody else has anything to ask) then what?
Then the thread goes for a little vacation until someone has a riddle.
I think we just need a tiny cooldown time for whoever asked the last riddle in such cases like with myself answering and not asking a riddle of my own, like a day or two. If no one has any riddle by then I think it's open business for the first comer.
Thank you for not using PDF. Bravo!
It's not that I'm against using it, I just figured this one out without the need for a PDF file. Only when I checked it for the spelling etc I saw I could've done a search for "corporal" or something of the likes.
Basically, for solving this riddle I just thought about who has this sort of "xxx of the guards" person in his employ, and first I thought Duncan and God Leto, but it didn't fit. Then the Baron and his guards, and that fit because I knew his guard was addicted to semuta, and that's a thing the Baron would likely care to note(also, after reading Dosadi I was reminded of exploitation of addicts by their dependency of their drugs).
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 19:00
by Freakzilla
You may pass if you don't have a question ready or can't think of one quickly.
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 19:12
by Phaedrus
Freakzilla wrote:orald wrote:...which I had no way of telling for sure with a pirated PDF file and no hard-copy in English.
Is scanning a book that you own, piracy? (I didn't scan it)
I don't think so, but distributing it IS piracy, and I think downloading the pdf, even if you own the book in hardcover, IS piracy(not sure, Omphalos, you're the legal authority here...).
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 19:25
by Freakzilla
If it is I think it's silly. If I own the book and would like it in an electronic format and I'm just too lazy to put each page on the scanner, but someone I know has already done it, who is that hurting? Anyone want to ask Byron?
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 19:48
by Omphalos
Freakzilla wrote:If it is I think it's silly. If I own the book and would like it in an electronic format and I'm just too lazy to put each page on the scanner, but someone I know has already done it, who is that hurting? Anyone want to ask Byron?
Why on Earth would anyone want to ask Byron? He doesnt know shit.
The law in this area changes
constantly; more than any area I have ever encountered before, and I research different areas of the law daily. But my belief is that it is not, as long as its for personal use. But, of course, I think that there are also some conflicting cases out there.
Posted: 31 Mar 2008 19:59
by Nekhrun
Freakzilla wrote:If it is I think it's silly. If I own the book and would like it in an electronic format and I'm just too lazy to put each page on the scanner, but someone I know has already done it, who is that hurting? Anyone want to ask Byron?
I talked to Brian Herbert on the phone about this issue a few times. I wanted to make an electronic copy of Dune for classroom purposes and he gave me the go-ahead. The next morning he called me back and told me that he was advised by his lawyer to not allow it. That's pretty much when I started getting fed up with the practices of the HLP. The old blame it on the lawyer excuse has been getting old.