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SandRider wrote:say merk, off the top of your head, what do you know about the pink snow in Utah ?
Pink snow in Utah?SandRider wrote:say merk, off the top of your head, what do you know about the pink snow in Utah ?
It was Indrid...SandChigger wrote:
Who started that thread? Or do I need to ask?
Obscure Kubrick reference?SandRider wrote:say merk, off the top of your head, what do you know about the pink snow in Utah ?
Omphalos wrote:Obscure Kubrick reference?SandRider wrote:say merk, off the top of your head, what do you know about the pink snow in Utah ?
Oh my God. Shishi.Im WG Duneit! wrote: Joined: 02 Aug 2010
Posts: 44
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:24 am
Post subject: Non FH Dune books
boardadmin wrote:Crysknife wrote:
If you really want to understand the debate, you have to see where some of the older fans are coming from. Imagine being a fan for decades and then someone other than the original author decides to take Dune in a direction you didn't see or want. It can get heated, but don't let that stop you.
Well said.
That's fine, but that doesn't describe my objections to the new books.
We're discussing the issue of quality, and new books vs. old, so I'm assuming I'm allowed to express my opinion about this here without getting deleted or banned. We'll see.
If Brian and Kevin had done something interesting with the new books, I would have been fine with inconsistencies. Whether or not the new books are canon is not so important to me, personally. My own tastes would have allowed for some changes, if new authors wanted to take Dune in an interesting new direction.
My favorite book in the series is Dune Messiah because it takes the characters to unexpected, interesting, and sometimes very dark, new places.
My problem with the new books is that they are really badly written. They're unbelievably mediocre. They're full of cardboard characters, sophomoric humor, tired sci-fi cliches, and devoid of interesting ideas. The prose is awkward and passive. The books read like bad Star Wars or Star Trek novelizations for tweens.
I was excited for the new books. I tried to read Butlerian Jihad and Paul of Dune. I wasn't able to finish either of them, and Paul of Dune is one of the worst books I've ever read.
You might have a different experience when you try to read the new books. It was a huge let down for me, but not because I was offended that the new authors are so different from Frank Herbert. For me, the problem was in the quality of the writing.
If the quality of the writing matters to you, these new books are going to be difficult, in my opinion.
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"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
Freakzilla wrote:That's going to go over well.
Freakzilla wrote:I'm on the other end of the hate spectrum though, I'd have tolerated the bad writing if they had been 100% faithful to the originals. But since their accuracy sucks the bad writing is just a bonus.
ah, sorta ... everytime I see clips of above-ground tests, I am reminded that the fallout fromOmphalos wrote:Obscure Kubrick reference?SandRider wrote:say merk, off the top of your head, what do you know about the pink snow in Utah ?
Merk, I pretty much agree with you, but I just want the new readers to remember to read the originals first. I think many will come to the same conclusions that all of us have if they do it this way. That's all I was trying to say. The new books are their own worst enemy. And if that guy happens to like the new books, well, more power to him and his couple of brain cells.merkin muffley wrote:Im WG Duneit! wrote: Joined: 02 Aug 2010
Posts: 44
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:24 am
Post subject: Non FH Dune books
boardadmin wrote:Crysknife wrote:
If you really want to understand the debate, you have to see where some of the older fans are coming from. Imagine being a fan for decades and then someone other than the original author decides to take Dune in a direction you didn't see or want. It can get heated, but don't let that stop you.
Well said.
That's fine, but that doesn't describe my objections to the new books.
We're discussing the issue of quality, and new books vs. old, so I'm assuming I'm allowed to express my opinion about this here without getting deleted or banned. We'll see.
If Brian and Kevin had done something interesting with the new books, I would have been fine with inconsistencies. Whether or not the new books are canon is not so important to me, personally. My own tastes would have allowed for some changes, if new authors wanted to take Dune in an interesting new direction.
My favorite book in the series is Dune Messiah because it takes the characters to unexpected, interesting, and sometimes very dark, new places.
My problem with the new books is that they are really badly written. They're unbelievably mediocre. They're full of cardboard characters, sophomoric humor, tired sci-fi cliches, and devoid of interesting ideas. The prose is awkward and passive. The books read like bad Star Wars or Star Trek novelizations for tweens.
I was excited for the new books. I tried to read Butlerian Jihad and Paul of Dune. I wasn't able to finish either of them, and Paul of Dune is one of the worst books I've ever read.
You might have a different experience when you try to read the new books. It was a huge let down for me, but not because I was offended that the new authors are so different from Frank Herbert. For me, the problem was in the quality of the writing.
If the quality of the writing matters to you, these new books are going to be difficult, in my opinion.
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"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
Aha! Interesting, I never heard of that before.SandRider wrote: ah, sorta ... everytime I see clips of above-ground tests, I am reminded that the fallout from
Indian Springs drifted east into Utah, got caught up in the clouds and came back down as
pink snow --- in the 50s, kids would run out and play in it, eat it ... the government said
pink snow was not harmful ...
That's cool, I didn't realize the Crysknives were the same person. What you said on DN is totally reasonable. Keep in mind, my goal over there is to be as much of an asshole as possible. I really wasn't directing it at you.Crysknife wrote: Merk, I pretty much agree with you, but I just want the new readers to remember to read the originals first.
KEWL... Glow-in-the-Dark Mormons!SandRider wrote:the fallout from Indian Springs drifted east into Utah, got caught up in the clouds and came back down as pink snow --- in the 50s, kids would run out and play in it, eat it ... the government said pink snow was not harmful ...
I get you.....I tried that a while ago and got banned. I asked Byron to let me rejoin a few months ago if I promised to be at least a civil as Freak.merkin muffley wrote:Aha! Interesting, I never heard of that before.SandRider wrote: ah, sorta ... everytime I see clips of above-ground tests, I am reminded that the fallout from
Indian Springs drifted east into Utah, got caught up in the clouds and came back down as
pink snow --- in the 50s, kids would run out and play in it, eat it ... the government said
pink snow was not harmful ...
That's cool, I didn't realize the Crysknives were the same person. What you said on DN is totally reasonable. Keep in mind, my goal over there is to be as much of an asshole as possible. I really wasn't directing it at you.Crysknife wrote: Merk, I pretty much agree with you, but I just want the new readers to remember to read the originals first.
...Crysknife wrote:I asked Byron to let me rejoin
...Crysknife wrote:I asked Byron to let me rejoin
Yeah, I can't say I see the point of that.SandChigger wrote:...Crysknife wrote:I asked Byron to let me rejoin
It has about as much to do with Dune as anything else they do over there. Also you have the best reason for doing it that a person can have, it's funny.merkin muffley wrote:...there's really no point to what I'm doing (starting threads about wiping your ass), either...
Utterly pointless.Crysknife wrote:I asked Byron to let me rejoin ...