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The offsides rule is also an issue

TheDukester wrote:All I need to see of that video is that it's more than seven minutes long ...

TheDukester wrote:

dune stroller wrote:... eventually it'll end up being most popular in the states too.

Not a chance in hell.

People have been saying that since at least 1974, when the old NASL tried to go big-time. And, of course, the 1994 World Cup was supposed to "change everything" and establish soccer as a big-time sport here. That hasn't quite happened.

We're just not wired for it here. It's not even the low scoring that's the problem for most people (I've enjoyed plenty of 1-0 baseball games or 2-1 hockey games), although the lack of good scoring chances in any given game is an issue, I think. That 2-1 hockey game I mentioned might feature 30 shots on goal by each team; a 2-1 soccer game might have a combined total of eight or nine scoring chances.

There's other factors, too. Americans will never, ever stop laughing at all of the ridiculous diving and theatrics, so the sport has a huge perception problem here. The offsides rule is also an issue. Also, our four major team sports are very firmly entrenched; there just might not be room for a fifth.

Sorry, but it's just not going to happen here. Not that that makes it a bad sport, of course ... it's just "22 foreigners in shorts" to the vast majority of Americans.

Freakzilla wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
That's my analysis, flame away!

(I agree the lack of good scoring chances is a bigger detriment to the game than the low scoring, that's a good point).

A Thing of Eternity wrote:...but not fast paced enough for there to be endess constant stimulation, so the most likely thing is just to change the channel.

dune stroller wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
That's my analysis, flame away!

(I agree the lack of good scoring chances is a bigger detriment to the game than the low scoring, that's a good point).

Pretty good. Your'e right about chances, In a world cup fear of losing is a big factor, more so than usual. At this point though it tends
to change as it's last chance saloon. In next phase it can go either way as lesser teams can shut up shop and play for a penalty shoot
out. I agree it detracts from the spectacle and is a problem, nobody likes that but it's down to negative coaching. Many teams find
success this way unfortunately ( Italy usually prime offenders). I must confess that standard of games this time has been pretty poor.

nampigai wrote:when watching a team like Spain, I'm personally entertained by the brilliance of the spaniards. Look at their passings for crying out loud it's a joy! Only thing missing is Torres getting he's aim back.

Freakzilla wrote:

dune stroller wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
That's my analysis, flame away!

(I agree the lack of good scoring chances is a bigger detriment to the game than the low scoring, that's a good point).

Pretty good. Your'e right about chances, In a world cup fear of losing is a big factor, more so than usual. At this point though it tends
to change as it's last chance saloon. In next phase it can go either way as lesser teams can shut up shop and play for a penalty shoot
out. I agree it detracts from the spectacle and is a problem, nobody likes that but it's down to negative coaching. Many teams find
success this way unfortunately ( Italy usually prime offenders). I must confess that standard of games this time has been pretty poor.

Nice format!

dune stroller wrote:I know. Problem is, teams don't care how they win ( hence cheating, play acting etc). I can afford to be a purist since Scotland ain't never going
to win, fuck, nowadays they can't even get there. Only bright side is that England will never win either and they don't even know it!

A Thing of Eternity wrote:The US doesn't seem to do well with regular/medium paced games, I'm not totally sure why. You guys like really really slow games like Baseball and Football, where you don't really have to pay much attention, and can get wasted and still follow it.

Sev wrote:

dune stroller wrote:I know. Problem is, teams don't care how they win ( hence cheating, play acting etc). I can afford to be a purist since Scotland ain't never going
to win, fuck, nowadays they can't even get there. Only bright side is that England will never win either and they don't even know it!

I'm half-English and half-Scottish, so the English half naturally expects us to win it, while the Scottish half hates the way the English media goes totally overboard.

As a fan of football in general, hopefully the teams that play the most attractive game will go a long way - Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Portugal - all easier on the eye than England and Greece!!

And you can forget your Pele's and your Maradona's - Archie Gemmell's goal against Holland will always be the best World Cup goal of All Time.

Hunchback Jack wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:The US doesn't seem to do well with regular/medium paced games, I'm not totally sure why. You guys like really really slow games like Baseball and Football, where you don't really have to pay much attention, and can get wasted and still follow it.

Baseball and Football are not "really really slow games". Test cricket is a really really slow game - five days for a single game. The changing condition of the pitch is a significant factor.

HBJ

Freakzilla wrote:

dune stroller wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:N. Korea got beat by Portugal like a red headed stepchild, 0-7.

Yeah, but nobodies gonna tell 'em.

It was broadcast live on TV to them.

SadisticCynic wrote:Re: the offside rule.

There's a billboard up around my city advertising a drink called WKD. The caption says:

The Offside Rule For Girls: If The Flag Is Up, It's Offside

dune stroller wrote:

SadisticCynic wrote:Re: the offside rule.

There's a billboard up around my city advertising a drink called WKD. The caption says:

The Offside Rule For Girls: If The Flag Is Up, It's Offside

There should be a new one:
The Offside Rule For Americans: If You Score, It's Offside

'Cause you've not got the attention span to watch that video.

Freakzilla wrote:

dune stroller wrote:

SadisticCynic wrote:Re: the offside rule.

There's a billboard up around my city advertising a drink called WKD. The caption says:

The Offside Rule For Girls: If The Flag Is Up, It's Offside

There should be a new one:
The Offside Rule For Americans: If You Score, It's Offside

'Cause you've not got the attention span to watch that video.

Stephen Colbert thinks that since we have global sentiment on our side after that bad call, the time is ripe and we should invade the country that referee is from.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:

dune stroller wrote:

SadisticCynic wrote:Re: the offside rule.

There's a billboard up around my city advertising a drink called WKD. The caption says:

The Offside Rule For Girls: If The Flag Is Up, It's Offside

There should be a new one:
The Offside Rule For Americans: If You Score, It's Offside

'Cause you've not got the attention span to watch that video.

Stephen Colbert thinks that since we have global sentiment on our side after that bad call, the time is ripe and we should invade the country that referee is from.

Hey, it must have been on the "to invade" list anyways, so why not?

That was a good episode.