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Wow, is this guy really THAT easy to wind up? Just how sensitive is this fool? If I call KJA a nancy, will he start crying?Kevin J Anderson wrote:Your complaints have been incessant, but that one is even sillier than most.
You know, I was just thinking about this very subject.GamePlayer wrote:KJA, may you go down in history as the most obtuse, immature and spiteful author ever published to a market audience. When the inevitable history of late 20th and early 21st century mediocrity in popular culture is examined by our historians, you're will most assuredly gain a footnote
SandChigger wrote:Yep. Let's go ahead and post it here, to save people a trip to my blog:
I sent:
He replied:Hiya. I do hope you and Rebecca are well.
I find myself in another one of those “gives me heartburn and keeps me awake at night” situations. I’m dying to know how you’re going to retcon Paul traveling to both Ecaz (twice, no less) and Grumman given that, three or four years later, both he and his father seem to think the move to Arrakis will be his first trip off Caladan. As Frank Herbert wrote in Dune:
Come on, Kevin, be a mensch and share the joy!The Duke looked at him [=Paul]. “This will be your first time off planet,” he said.
Warmest regards,
Ron
So I asked:Your complaints have been incessant, but that one is even sillier than most. It doesn’t seem possible you could ask such a question having actually read PAUL OF DUNE, which is about the inaccuracies and liberties taken in Irulan’s purported histories of Muad’Dib. This is addressed several times in the novel, but most specifically to your question, see pp 102-103:
Come on, at least TRY to look for an answer before railing about the books. Rest assured, though, that Brian and I will keep writing the novels, and keep writing them, for as long as it takes until you are completely satisfied. You give us the incentive to keep the series going for many years to come.One morning she went to Paul’s Imperial office to talk with him, holding a first-edition of The Life of Muad’Dib. She dropped the deep blue volume on his desktop, a plane of polished Elaccan bloodwood. “Exactly how much is missing from this story? I’ve been talking with Bludd. In your accounts of your life, you left out vital details.”
He raised his eyebrows. “Your publication has defined my life’s story.”
“You told me you had never left Caladan before your House moved to Arrakis. Whole parts of your youth have been left out.”
“Painful parts.” He frowned at her. “But, more importantly, irrelevant parts. We’ve streamlined the story for mass consumption, just as when you wrote that I was born on Caladan and not Kaitain. It sounds better that way, doesn’t it? We eliminated unnecessary complications, cut off unnecessary questions and explanations.”
She could not hide her frustration. “Sometimes the truth is complicated.”
“Yes, it is.”
“But if I tell a part of the story that directly contradicts what has been published before –“
“If you write it, they will believe it. Trust me.”
As Nekhrun has pointed out in a comment on the post, they'll have to say it is some Bene Gesserit writing the last three of Frank's books, because Irulan was long dead by then.So your position really is that the entire narrative text of Dune and all of Frank’s books was also written by Irulan?
Simple question, simple answer: Yes or No.
(I'm counting on Kevin, if he bothers replying again, to obfuscate and avoid giving a direct answer to the question by pointing out something along those lines. What I get for posting before thinking. Grammatical error, too.)
No doubt. I can imagine the internal monologue:Omphalos wrote:That's fucking offensive, my good brotha.
Though to be sure "Dune" wont be dumbed down until KJA gets his greasy paws into it and "fixes" a few things in the next edition, right?
GLaDOS wrote: This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
Oh, don't wake Brian up, they'll just have to change him.Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:Wait a minute:
Does Brian know about that e-mail?
Isn't that a bit disrespectful of the memory his father?
I know...I only like to make a little arouse.Freakzilla wrote:Oh, don't wake Brian up, they'll just have to change him.Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:Wait a minute:
Does Brian know about that e-mail?
Isn't that a bit disrespectful of the memory his father?
) Their MS Word "***** of Dune" template doesn't allow that.SandChigger wrote:Surely they're not going to tell us Irulan becomes prescient and can foresee and write the three books after GEoD.
(When and where does Irulan die again?
I guess Norma could sweep in like the Archangel Gabby and spill the beans, too.
Feh.
Nah, I'm voting for Harq al-Ada for Leto of Dune and Gaus Andaud for author of the last three books.
I was also thinking the other day, that if they really HAVE to write this shit, why the fuck can't they experiment a little more? (Other than the fact that this boring pattern has "worked" for them for nine books.) Irulan could be written all in first person, for example.
) You can't be serious. No.SandChigger wrote:Freak, can you think of ANYTHING in any of the narrative passages of the books that could possibly be twisted around to imply that everything is in-universe text?
Or do you know of any statement by FH in an interview or anything else he wrote that could be interpreted to mean that's what he intended?
I nearly broke down a few minutes ago and sent off another email to the shithead. But stopped myself because...do I really want to read more of his crap?
(Someone else want to try?
Well, I'm using "narrative text" to mean the non-dialogue, non-internal-thought parts which are conveyed in the "voice" (or perspective) of the narrator.Freakzilla wrote:There's not much narrative in the series, is there? It's always from someone's POV. FH hardly ever tells you anything, that's what the epigraphs are for. The events in the entire series are always presented from the participants POV durring the events.
Whose perspective is that from? Paul's? All of it?In the week before their departure to Arrakis, when all the final scurrying about had reached a nearly unbearable frenzy, an old crone came to visit the mother of the boy, Paul.
It was a warm night at Castle Caladan, and the ancient pile of stone that had served the Atreides family as home for twenty-six generations bore that cooled-sweat feeling it acquired before a change in the weather.
The old woman was let in by the side door down the vaulted passage by Paul's room and she was allowed a moment to peer in at him where he lay in his bed.
