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Dune Novels
Not sure if this is the right location for this post, but here I go anyways.
I was just checking out the Dune Novels Forums (Iused to read through there all the time) and man am I glad I'm here not there. I read the rules section, and while I understand their veiwpoint, how can there be a discussion forum about two completly conficting series of novels without some negative comments?
I also read a post where some of this place's members tried very hard to explain that the human empire/scattering is WAY over 15000 LY across, therefor it is impossible for Omniass to have rode a radio wave at the speed of light for 15000 years and somehow end up far beyond that distance. No matter how clearly it was stated, the people who were fans of the new books just didn't even grasp the concept. Makes sense I guess for people who can enjoy books where the ships have FTL warpdrives (pre foldspace ships) but somehow the people inside are subject to accelleration Gee force (this is completely against all real and speculative laws of physics).
Forget KJA and BH conflicting with the originals, they conflict with the scifi genre in general, to say nothing of conflicting with reality.
Man, I'm this worked up just having spent five minutes glancing at those forums, I'd be having a stroke if I was a posting member there!
At least there is a place like this where my health is safe.
I was just checking out the Dune Novels Forums (Iused to read through there all the time) and man am I glad I'm here not there. I read the rules section, and while I understand their veiwpoint, how can there be a discussion forum about two completly conficting series of novels without some negative comments?
I also read a post where some of this place's members tried very hard to explain that the human empire/scattering is WAY over 15000 LY across, therefor it is impossible for Omniass to have rode a radio wave at the speed of light for 15000 years and somehow end up far beyond that distance. No matter how clearly it was stated, the people who were fans of the new books just didn't even grasp the concept. Makes sense I guess for people who can enjoy books where the ships have FTL warpdrives (pre foldspace ships) but somehow the people inside are subject to accelleration Gee force (this is completely against all real and speculative laws of physics).
Forget KJA and BH conflicting with the originals, they conflict with the scifi genre in general, to say nothing of conflicting with reality.
Man, I'm this worked up just having spent five minutes glancing at those forums, I'd be having a stroke if I was a posting member there!
At least there is a place like this where my health is safe.
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I have recently been finding it fun to take a peek every few days.
I mean, if you're ever feeling worried about your own mental state or down about your own intellectual abilities, reading some of the postings of the more inane and just downright stupid inmates over there will pick you right up!
I mean, if you're ever feeling worried about your own mental state or down about your own intellectual abilities, reading some of the postings of the more inane and just downright stupid inmates over there will pick you right up!
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Re: Dune Novels
You mean while using said FTL drive they experience those accellerations, not just when in "normal space" using manuvering thrusters or STL?A Thing of Eternity wrote:Makes sense I guess for people who can enjoy books where the ships have FTL warpdrives (pre foldspace ships) but somehow the people inside are subject to accelleration Gee force (this is completely against all real and speculative laws of physics).
I haven't read any of the pre's in a long time so IDK if the first is ever present, but I remember them using STL engines whenever near planets/fighting(like something about "oh puny humans can't do shit to superior machine operated ships that can accellerate so fast that the gee forces would crush the humans" in the start of TBJ).
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They described the gee forces being present through the entire trip between worlds, thus, whilst the FTL was engaged. They never mention what kind of drives these are as far as I remember, but if it's FTL and it isn't hyperspace/wormhole/foldspace then it has to be warpdrive(Alcubierre Drive if we want to be scientific). That really bugged me when I was reading those books (I read the Jihad series but not the Houses series)
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IDK, for me dumb people raise the BP.SandChigger wrote:I have recently been finding it fun to take a peek every few days.
Like when I see clueless leftist propoganda broadcasted as the supreme truth over our TV channels and news sites.
It's like watching Al-Jazeera 24/7.
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I remembered them actually just using normal drives and accellerating for a long time for suchinter-planetary travels(though I know it'd still take years and decades even if they achieve lightspeed, not mere months or weeks as I think was described). Frankly, I don't remember them mentioning FTL, hyperspace/wormhole/foldspace /warpdrive/whatever before they "introduce" the Holtzman drive.
I'm not sure what they actually used.
Maybe I need a reread. *snicker*
I'm not sure what they actually used.
Maybe I need a reread. *snicker*
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That's my whole point. They never even bring it up, yet somehow it's a two week journy. It's either magic or FTL, and if it's FTL the physics don't add up.orald wrote:I remembered them actually just using normal drives and accellerating for a long time for suchinter-planetary travels(though I know it'd still take years and decades even if they achieve lightspeed, not mere months or weeks as I think was described). Frankly, I don't remember them mentioning FTL, hyperspace/wormhole/foldspace /warpdrive/whatever before they "introduce" the Holtzman drive.
I'm not sure what they actually used.
Maybe I need a reread. *snicker*
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Just to play devils advocate, there are few people who even understand (I mean, really understand) what a light year is. So for those completely ignoring the contradiction in those lame prequel books, I can certainly understand most simply getting that glazed look in their eyes whenever you start using real scientific concepts correctly. Hell, I have a hard enough time explaining to the every day person the difference between galaxy and universe
Despite how far we've traveled and how much we've learned about the universe around us, the vast majority of people still could care less what goes on outside our own planet and think even less of it. Planet bound people breed planet bound thoughts, for the most part
Digressing, yeah DN sucks. But it's an official site, so it's expected to suck, like all official websites. Official sites are just product extensions and not any place for real, honest discussion. The fan sites have ALWAYS been where it's at.
Despite how far we've traveled and how much we've learned about the universe around us, the vast majority of people still could care less what goes on outside our own planet and think even less of it. Planet bound people breed planet bound thoughts, for the most part
Digressing, yeah DN sucks. But it's an official site, so it's expected to suck, like all official websites. Official sites are just product extensions and not any place for real, honest discussion. The fan sites have ALWAYS been where it's at.
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Lol, "planet-bound"? More likely "neighborhood-bound" or "apartment-bound" at best.GamePlayer wrote:Despite how far we've traveled and how much we've learned about the universe around us, the vast majority of people still could care less what goes on outside our own planet and think even less of it. Planet bound people breed planet bound thoughts, for the most part
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City? Lol, I don't even care about my floor of the building.
In fact, I've been living my whole life near some of these neighboors and I don't know their names, or care to know.
I do know the names of 90% of the dogs in my neighborhood though.
*doggy! wheeeeeeeee*
In fact, I've been living my whole life near some of these neighboors and I don't know their names, or care to know.
I do know the names of 90% of the dogs in my neighborhood though.
*doggy! wheeeeeeeee*
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I'm pretty sure in they were limited to slower-than-light travel, unless i'm remembering wrong. Their tech had advanced to the point which allowed close to light speed, but they were still limited by this.
I'm pretty sure that this was the reason for dangerous g-forces being mentioned so much. Say what you want about KJA, but any sci-fi writer, even him, would not overlook something like this.
Now the math involved in travel times... this probably doesn't add up.
I'm pretty sure that this was the reason for dangerous g-forces being mentioned so much. Say what you want about KJA, but any sci-fi writer, even him, would not overlook something like this.
Now the math involved in travel times... this probably doesn't add up.
I gotta go with magic in this case. Its more likely that the he ignored the travel time restrictions than forgetting that he put g-forces in his story because it was STL.A Thing of Eternity wrote:It's either magic or FTL, and if it's FTL the physics don't add up.
How simple things were when our messiah was only a dream...
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I've actually gone back fairly regularly over the last couple weeks. If only to gaze in wonder at the complete lack of logical thought by some of the preeks. I have a feeling that even Simon will start to come around pretty soon.Tyrant wrote:i dont even go to the main site anymore..i did once a week ago..and i was like "wow...how the fuck did i stand this place" ....and thats just from the background theme
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I guess that's true, I did have to explain to one of my friends once that stars are infact "suns" just like our, some even have plnets. He had a hard time with that, think he just tuned me out in the end.GamePlayer wrote:Just to play devils advocate, there are few people who even understand (I mean, really understand) what a light year is. So for those completely ignoring the contradiction in those lame prequel books, I can certainly understand most simply getting that glazed look in their eyes whenever you start using real scientific concepts correctly. Hell, I have a hard enough time explaining to the every day person the difference between galaxy and universe
Despite how far we've traveled and how much we've learned about the universe around us, the vast majority of people still could care less what goes on outside our own planet and think even less of it. Planet bound people breed planet bound thoughts, for the most part
Digressing, yeah DN sucks. But it's an official site, so it's expected to suck, like all official websites. Official sites are just product extensions and not any place for real, honest discussion. The fan sites have ALWAYS been where it's at.
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Today has been quite day at dune novels BBs. I've been at it with Hypatia and arnie. Byron decided that the "prequelite" meant "lite" as in they are lesser dune fans. Omphalos and I had to explain to him what the suffix "-ite" means Arnie and I went at it over the events of 'Keen, which Byron then deleted and pronounced no more "intra-board disputes" were allowed.
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Sometimes I wonder what is being taught in schools. I didn't have any trouble grasping basic astronomy in school. It's not like it's calculus or shakespeare; it doesn't require a huge amount of effort to grasp. But then again, I don't know what people had against geography either. How hard is it to read a map?A Thing of Eternity wrote:I guess that's true, I did have to explain to one of my friends once that stars are infact "suns" just like our, some even have plnets. He had a hard time with that, think he just tuned me out in the end.
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A threesome?Tleilax Master B wrote:I've been at it with Hypatia and arnie.
I'm not sure it's the schools' fault, I'm quite sure they teach all that stuff. It's the students' idiocy and disinterest that's to blame.GamePlayer wrote:Sometimes I wonder what is being taught in schools. I didn't have any trouble grasping basic astronomy in school. It's not like it's calculus or shakespeare; it doesn't require a huge amount of effort to grasp. But then again, I don't know what people had against geography either. How hard is it to read a map?
Most people are just plain stupid and there's nothingt to do about it(other than eugenics...hmm, that might be nice ).
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Come on. Half of the population is by definition below the average intelligence. An ever-increasing population means more and more stupid people all the time.
I would hope that over time we are getting smarter as a species, but I have yet to see any conclusive evidence of it.
I've mentioned this before, but I feel like FH was fairly pessimistic about the species. People 20,000+ years from now don't seem to be any better, just smarter/more cunning and with better toys. And weapons.
OK, I'm depressed. Set for another day!
I would hope that over time we are getting smarter as a species, but I have yet to see any conclusive evidence of it.
I've mentioned this before, but I feel like FH was fairly pessimistic about the species. People 20,000+ years from now don't seem to be any better, just smarter/more cunning and with better toys. And weapons.
OK, I'm depressed. Set for another day!
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Probably? You're new around these parts, so I'll forgive you this once. Next time remember: Orald is always right.A Thing of Eternity wrote:Looks like orald is probably right.
Chig, I've heard several times that studies have shown the human brain volume to have actually decreased since the cave-men, but mostly during the middle-ages, probably due to malnutrition.
I can't recall if it's getting better now, but if it does, it sure seems a slow process.
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