What's in a name, er title?


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What's in a name, er title?

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Anyone ever notice that the Tleilaxu title Masheikh is remarkably similar to the title mashi'ach, which is Hebrew (I think) for 'the anointed one'. I would never have thought of it from looking at Messiah, but in the original language its a tad more obvious.

I love how Frank puts in little subtle details like that. Also looks like it has the title Sheikh in it as well. Cool huh?
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I've never even seen anyone talk about the Tleilaxu title origins, very interesting.
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I'm kind of surprise that it doesn't come from Chigger... :?

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Frank Herbert may indeed have intended some allusion of that sort (the BT Masters considered themselves the annointed, chosen ones), but in the original Arabic, masheikh is just one of a number of plural forms for the word sheikh ("old man, elder, leader, advisor") itself.

Obviously, in the future language of the BT, the word has developed into a new title and is used as both singular and plural.
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Now, that's better... :P
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So is Chigger actually a jew?
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SwordMaster wrote:So is Chigger actually a jew?
He is many things.
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He is ubiquitous.
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Omphalos wrote:He is ubiquitous.
He's everywhere at once so... he's the norm? :wink: Japan must be some place!

Anyway, with regard to Masheikh; damn I thought I had something there. Aw well! I submit to Chigger (sure it won't be the last time).
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SwordMaster wrote:So is Chigger actually a jew?
Why don't you check under his hood and find out?
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Nekhrun wrote:
SwordMaster wrote:So is Chigger actually a jew?
Why don't you check under his hood and find out?
Um, I'm not sure that's possible...

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no i would take his word on it...

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Oy, enough with the shpecutaing on my shvanz already. :roll:

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I thought most American guys were cut, even the ones who aren't Jewish.
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chanilover wrote:I thought most American guys were cut, even the ones who aren't Jewish.
I thought so too. Never really checked though.
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Lets bring it back though. Are the BT sort of Jew'ie ?
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No. They're sort of "Muslim'ie".

(Don't push me. I've already ranted at some of my grad students this morning about "actioner". :twisted: )
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:shock: How/Where did they fit that in?
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I see some Jew'ness with the BT. Secretive, think they will inherit the earth, think that non Jews are not a part of their big plan, have a name for non Jews, strange breeding practices.

A few things.
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Ok... :?

I don't think Jews and BT are that similar...just how FH described the Jews in the last two books gives us his point of view on how he saw them and they are diff from the BT... :twocents-twocents:
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Orald's gonna love that post! You'd have to be more specific there SW, everything you listed there sounds like it describes Christians and Muslims too.
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Yeah I thought I might stir it up a bit
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SandChigger wrote:Oy, enough with the shpecutaing on my shvanz already. :roll:

Sorry this rabble derailed your thread, SadisticCynic. :(
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