"I ended up writing 220,000 words—over 900 draft pages—in 47 days. My personal best."
It's alright, I imagine he'll edit it down into a stream-lined, tight, well-paced 300 page novel...
..ahahahahah.. no, it's finished now. Just correct some of the transcription errors and it's ready.
The best I've done was recently write a 22-page grad course thesis in four days, and only one day and a quarter, with help, to edit it. It took more thought, organization, and critical sources to write that than I think the Pulp Sci-Fi Man has done with the new Dune-ish books.
Maybe what KJA and BH need is a high-brow sci-fi editor? Or at least someone from the outside who they don't feel too threatened to get standardized help from?
'...all those who took part in the rise and fall of the Dune project learned how to fall one and one thousand times with savage obstinacy until learning how to stand. I remember my old father who, while dying happy, said to me: "My son, in my life, I triumphed because I learned how to fail."' -Alejandro Jodorowsky
Nekhrun wrote:Can you imagine an actual editor having to read through kja's writing?
I think he's tried it and didn't like the result.
Leto II is gone for good, except for OM. The "pearl" was just that; a miniscule portion of what Leto was, and not a compressed version of the whole. The pearl that the worms have do not make them Leto, or in any way similar to him.
-Omphalos
Nekhrun wrote:Can you imagine an actual editor having to read through kja's writing?
we need a like button.
my response was going to be the professional editor suggesting to TOR that they find a completely different author and that it wouldn't be ethical for them to be involved with the project without labeling it young adult fiction.
...then again, now that I think about it, being an editor there must be the easiest job in the world.
Hellhole is literally the scraps they don't put in their Dune books.
I would love for them to come up with something they can occupy there time with other than Dune. (I even have a tin-foil hat theory that Brian agreed to do Hellhole in order to do less Dune)
We are however talking about Kevin "from his ass to print in 11 parsecs" Anderson. No way in hell is he letting go of Dune, and he's more than happy to write more and more and more. He'll just do it faster, and cut the editing away.
But they probably get more money per Hellhole book sold; Kevin because he's one of the original (and therefore not replaceable) authors, Brian because he doesn't have to split the royalties with the rest of the Herbert family.
If Hellhole books start outselling new Dune books in absolute numbers (and I admit they probably won't), it makes no financial sense for either of them to spend their time on Dune when they could be writing more Hellhole-spinoffs; their ideas and plots are probably fairly interchangeable.
So, I think we should start recommending 'Hellhole' to everyone we know ...
I'm not sure I understand the graph. Are you using "know" in the Biblical sense?
HBJ
"The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars."
- Carl Sagan
I'm still very proud of The Quarry but … let's face it; in the end the real best way to sign off would have been with a great big rollicking Culture novel.
- Iain Banks
The Dune Saga is a Facebook page ran by Byron Merritt and company, but is mostly an advertisement page for KJA... it is astoundingly stupid. If you have time check it out, KJA has running posts of quotes from Mentats of Dune, its hard not to chime in light him up.
KJA also mentioned there is a forthcoming Navigators of Dune, after mentats.. egads.
Kevin J. Anderson:
George, while some things in the Dune Encyclopedia may be interesting, the book is NOT canon, per Frank Herbert and Willis McNelly.
but Keith's shit is?
is that what he's saying here ???
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Kevin J. Anderson:
George, while some things in the Dune Encyclopedia may be interesting, the book is NOT canon, per Frank Herbert and Willis McNelly.
but Keith's shit is?
is that what he's saying here ???
One more reason to use mentally substitute "written by Frank" wherever you read "canon"
"the Dune Encyclopedia is not written by Frank, per Frank Herbert and Willis McNelly -> computes just fine
"Dune 7 is written by Frank, according to the Herbert Estate -> error.
God I hate The KJA. I haven't paid attention to Dune in a few years but recently decided to reread the entire series (Dune through CH:D). Because I was bored the other day I skimmed through copies of PoD and SoD at the library. PoD is even worse then I remembered (I had tried to read it several years ago and couldn't finish) and WoD is pointless.
I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hope The KJA and the Other Guy never write another McDune novel again.
I've been away from the forum for a while but noticed Mentats of Dune is schedule for March 2014. Per the morons blog, they were done "writing" in mid July. I wonder if Tor is making them slow down the releases finally. Since we know it's not the hacks style to do any research and detailed writing that would take up any appreciable amount of time.
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that." Frank Herbert by Tim O'Reilly http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/
Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?" Children of Dune by Frank Herbert
Sardaukar Capt wrote:I've been away from the forum for a while but noticed Mentats of Dune is schedule for March 2014. Per the morons blog, they were done "writing" in mid July. I wonder if Tor is making them slow down the releases finally. Since we know it's not the hacks style to do any research and detailed writing that would take up any appreciable amount of time.
Considering what I felt like they did with the first few chapters of Sisterhood, I imagine TOR might actually have someone that is exercising some editorial control. Perhaps sales aren't meeting standards.