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Setzer wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:Maybe he's thinking of the breeding them on SS angle. Keep the females on SS to breed, kinda like the BT.

According to the Dune Encyclopedia, that's how the Sardaukar women were treated. They were kept out of battle and made babies.

Freakzilla wrote:We can't assume there weren't women because they weren't mentioned. (How's that Nebby? )

I think the Sardaukar had to be a combination of surviving prisoners and people born there. After all, the Atreides seem to have gotten the idea of using the Fremen from the Sardaukar.

I think of SS kind of like Austrailia. It started out as a prison colony then developed its own population.

Serkanner wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:We can't assume there weren't women because they weren't mentioned. (How's that Nebby? )

I think the Sardaukar had to be a combination of surviving prisoners and people born there. After all, the Atreides seem to have gotten the idea of using the Fremen from the Sardaukar.

I think of SS kind of like Austrailia. It started out as a prison colony then developed its own population.

I agree. It is very likely, but not supported by the texts however.

As the first ' Dune fan,'' I give this encyclopedia
my delighted approval, although I hold my own counsel on some of the issues still
to be explored as the Chronicles unfold.

Frank Herbert
Port Townsend, WA
November, 1983

I give this encyclopedia my delighted approval...

although I hold my own counsel on some of the issues still to be explored as the Chronicles unfold.

JustSomeGuy wrote:I know it's pointless to speculate, but I wonder what Mr. Herbert would have thought of the new books?

Freakzilla wrote:We can't assume there weren't women because they weren't mentioned. (How's that Nebby? )

merkin muffley wrote:Did you notice Scarlett Johanssen's tits, by the way?

SandRider wrote:you know, I'm thinking of taking the position that the DE is now canon ...
treating the entire thing the way we treat the other "in-universe texts" Frank quotes -
unless directly contradicting something in the narrative (for an obvious purpose),
I don't see a problem with using the "facts & history" presented in the DE ....

I think Frank's "reservations" about the DE most likely centered on the material
about the Butlerian Jihad - at the time, he was probably thinking about future
Dune books and "keeping that door open"; I don't think being dead in a few
years ever crossed his mind ...

merkin muffley wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:We can't assume there weren't women because they weren't mentioned. (How's that Nebby? )

NICE.

Did you notice Scarlett Johanssen's tits, by the way?

Nekhrun wrote:

merkin muffley wrote:Did you notice Scarlett Johanssen's tits, by the way?

Somebody get this kid some more lotion, looks like he's going to be away for a bit.

SandChigger wrote:

SandRider wrote:you know, I'm thinking of taking the position that the DE is now canon ...
treating the entire thing the way we treat the other "in-universe texts" Frank quotes -
unless directly contradicting something in the narrative (for an obvious purpose),
I don't see a problem with using the "facts & history" presented in the DE ....

Well, you have fun with that and let us know how it works out for you.

I think Frank's "reservations" about the DE most likely centered on the material
about the Butlerian Jihad - at the time, he was probably thinking about future
Dune books and "keeping that door open"; I don't think being dead in a few
years ever crossed his mind ...

I think it's a bit more complex than that.

There were 43 contributors to the DE, including Dr. McNelly. It's unclear how many (if any) of them had any contact with FH other than through McNelly. It would have been stupid for FH to allow himself to be bound by the details dreamed up by that many people with differing interpretations and understandings of the first three (four?) books. (McNelly wrote that they had available an advance copy of GEoD, but everyone probably didn't have ready access to it.)

I'm willing to accept a few details from the DE that seem like something FH would have come up with and included himself (the Fremen Reverend Mothers reviving and instructing the tribes in an older form of their language; the "Oxygen Crisis" stuff, etc.) but a lot of it is just nonsense ("clam power"; the worms evolving on Arrakis after an asteroid impact; the ancient history of the BG; all the Holzmann cyborg bullshit, etc etc etc) and just as bad in its way as some of the shit squirted out by The Prodigal & Hack-for-Hire, and I refuse to grant it even quasi-canon status.