A Thing of Eternity wrote:Setzer wrote:Assuming the Five to One kill ratio includes the Sardaukar's pogrom against Fremen civilians (for lack of a better term) that would mean that the kill ratio would be even more skewed in favor of the Fremen if it were purely army on army.
That's how I take that quote to mean, total deaths of Fremen vs total Sardaukar deaths. Which makes sense when compared to the other part where I believe it says some number of Fremen took out 1 or 2 hundred Sardaukar and lost less than a handful. I really need to read the quotes I'm talking about before posting though!
Refer back to post eight:
"You . . . took one?" Hawat asked.
"It was a good fight," the Fremen said. "We lost only two men and spilled the water from more than a hundred of theirs."
There were Sardaukar at every gun, Hawat thought. This desert madman speaks casually of losing only two men against Sardaukar!
"We would not have lost the two except for those others fighting beside the Harkonnens," the Fremen said. "Some of those are good fighters."
It was a mixed group, so the ratio may even be more favorable for the Fremen in that instance. Furthermore, what should be considered here is that this is an example of a Fremen raid very early in the war. In the scene not too long after that where the Fremen capture a thopter, the Sardaukar are routed because the Fremen used tactics against them that were tempered by the environment. The Sardaukar were probably studious of occasions like that, and adapted their tactics in order to follow suit. This could explain the difference between Hawat's ratio and this early figure, but of course it doesn't explain Frank Herbert's two different estimations of how many Sardaukar were dispatched to Arrakis.