Mutation in Dune (a.k.a. Atreides)


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And it's never made clear whether their germline cells are affected or even if they mate after the transformation has progressed. There's not enough information to be able to say anything definite about their genetics.
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Genetic Drift: refers to the fact that, despite gene splitting being very much geared towards conserving the gene structure equal, some differences end up creeping into the further generations, mainly in the long run.
Is english your first language? I dont understand this one jot.

Genetic drift refers to the fact that, in the absence of selective pressure, genomes and gene sequences will mutate and diverge to create novel variations on the original. Mutations will ONLY be weeded out (over time, too) if there is a selective pressure against them. Alternatively, advantageous mutations will either reduce or alleviate current selective pressures ( camouflage protects against predation, for instance).

Just had to clarify that,
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^^^ Our other expert on such things besides Master B. :)
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SandRider wrote:Dune IS NOT about "ecology" - see Norman Spinrad
That's waht I said in my review too. Its the later books that are more about ecology. Dune has wonderful environments, but its not about ecology.
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Drunken Idaho wrote:Nah, I just wanted to find a cheap way to throw in the word "perspective."

I fully recognize the vast difference between mutation in the Dune sense of the word, and deformity.

IE:

Me -----> Wild talent, mutation

Sole Man -----> deformed, due to inbreeding
It's not unture.

That's the current plan: All of us inbreds are supposed to mate with a variety of others outside the family, that way when our descendants inbreed themsevles, there's a lot more to choose from.
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Sole Man wrote:
Drunken Idaho wrote:Nah, I just wanted to find a cheap way to throw in the word "perspective."

I fully recognize the vast difference between mutation in the Dune sense of the word, and deformity.

IE:

Me -----> Wild talent, mutation

Sole Man -----> deformed, due to inbreeding
It's not unture.

That's the current plan: All of us inbreds are supposed to mate with a variety of others outside the family, that way when our descendants inbreed themsevles, there's a lot more to choose from.
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I don't think you can really count odrade and Teg. As is said in the books thanks to the tyrants machinations not many people in the Herectics time aren't desended from the atredies line. Isn't that what the Atredies Manifesto is all about.
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The_Kat wrote:I don't think you can really count odrade and Teg. As is said in the books thanks to the tyrants machinations not many people in the Herectics time aren't desended from the atredies line. Isn't that what the Atredies Manifesto is all about.
Everyone on Chapterhouse is descended from the Siona Atreides and Duncan Idaho, besides Duncan (the last), else they would give away it's location.

Even Murbella had the Siona gene.
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Freakzilla wrote:
The_Kat wrote:I don't think you can really count odrade and Teg. As is said in the books thanks to the tyrants machinations not many people in the Herectics time aren't desended from the atredies line. Isn't that what the Atredies Manifesto is all about.
Everyone on Chapterhouse is descended from the Siona Atreides and Duncan Idaho, besides Duncan (the last), else they would give away it's location.

Even Murbella had the Siona gene.
A little off track, but what about Scytale? I was a little confused by this. Wasn't he allowed to walk freely on Chapterhouse?
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Yes you're right, him and Mother Superior had a wee stroll in an orchard. BG boffins identified he carried Siona gene markers.
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The BT speak genetics, they don't have to be descended. They can appearantly say, "Ooh, I like your genes, can I wear them?"

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They knew they would get a male reverend mother with access to both avenues of AM, but the other stuff was kind of unexpected results of the mixture of genes. their descendants will be much more likely than the rest of the population to have these or similar traits.
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