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Posted: **01 Apr 2008 13:54**

The Sons of Idaho wrote:Didn't you used to be Face Dancer B?

That was many serial lives ago.....

Posted: **01 Apr 2008 13:57**

Spicelon wrote:So, does everybody have searchable e-copies of the texts?

If you would like, I'll try to send them to you tonight.

Posted: **01 Apr 2008 14:16**

Freakzilla wrote:
Spicelon wrote:So, does everybody have searchable e-copies of the texts?
If you would like, I'll try to send them to you tonight.

I have mine as Word docs, but I'm always on the lookout for something better. What format?

Posted: **01 Apr 2008 14:24**

Spicelon wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Spicelon wrote:So, does everybody have searchable e-copies of the texts?
If you would like, I'll try to send them to you tonight.
I have mine as Word docs, but I'm always on the lookout for something better. What format?

PDF

Posted: **01 Apr 2008 15:22**

Tleilax Master B wrote:
Mandy wrote:Ugh.. I hate the term "decanted". FH used it once, I think, then P&tB latched onto it.
Twice. In heretics.

Would you prefer "extracted"?

lol.. I don't know. If it weren't for P&tB using it repeatedly I wouldn't even care.

Posted: **01 Apr 2008 15:29**

I hate that word now too.

Posted: **01 Apr 2008 15:50**

Hehe, I guess it doesn't bother me too much, since they stole it from the master anyway. I sort of like the visual of a ghola being sort of poured out from tank to outside world.

(Now making "synthetic" spice in a tank, that is just fucking stupid....

)

Posted: **01 Apr 2008 16:10**

Tleilax Master B wrote:
The Sons of Idaho wrote:Didn't you used to be Face Dancer B?
That was many serial lives ago.....

So you were a FD and now a Master?!

Did it have anything to do with the events in DM?

Posted: **01 Apr 2008 19:01**

orald wrote:
Tleilax Master B wrote:
The Sons of Idaho wrote:Didn't you used to be Face Dancer B?
That was many serial lives ago.....
So you were a FD and now a Master?!

Did it have anything to do with the events in DM?

Actually, he started calling himself Master during his rebellious teenage years: the events in the Prelude to Dune as transcribed by the prophets P&B.

Posted: **01 Apr 2008 19:24**

Tleszer wrote:
orald wrote:
Tleilax Master B wrote:
The Sons of Idaho wrote:Didn't you used to be Face Dancer B?
That was many serial lives ago.....
So you were a FD and now a Master?!

Did it have anything to do with the events in DM?
Actually, he started calling himself Master during his rebellious teenage years: the events in the Prelude to Dune as transcribed by the prophets P&B.

Im still waiting for TMC to show up.

Posted: **06 Apr 2008 05:59**

orald wrote:Also, Paul was a sacred figure for the BT, at least AFTER he was gone from the political scene and they stopped trying to sabutage him...like with God Leto. Someone who was just in the room with him would've been fawned upon.

I don't think Bijaz's dwarfism had anything to do with Masters either.
For one thing, as TMB points out, they're normally proportioned though small. Also, they're what, 150 cm in HoD? That's not a dwarf, that's just short, and no way near dwarfed. That's like half a head shorter than me, and I've seen plenty of women that short, some even shorter*.

IIRC, his dwarfism was part of the plan to draw attention to this physical feature. Wasn't he supposed to be a "freak" kind of gift, like a curiosity item on the surface?

*On my job course in the army there was this one CUTE doll instructor about 140-145 cm high. Damn she was cute!

In Children of Dune there's a refernce to the Tleilaxu and it mentions Face Dancers and small people, so it looks like the Masters were midgets from the beginning, before FH fully developed the Tleilaxu in the later books.

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 01:17**

Tleilax Master B wrote:
Spicelon wrote:
Tleilax Master B wrote:He had probably been used for numerous other tasks before the Hayt project.
But, doesn't Hayt/Duncan remember, right around the time he's getting his memories back, seeing Bijaz in the tanks along with himself? I always thought they were grown together.
"You are not Hayt," the dwarf said. "You are Duncan Idaho. I was there when they put your dead flesh into the tank and I was there when they removed it, alive and ready for training."

Bijaz had long since been removed from the tanks when Hayt was decanted. He was there when the corpse was put in and there when it was removed. To shield Hayt from Paul's prescience, IMHO.

There's another quote, from the same conversation, where Bijaz tells Hayt they were both grown in the same tank, "First me, then you," I believe it goes.

I'm also uncertain about Bijaz actually being prescient. Paul puts forth the idea, but just because Paul doesn't see him doesn't make him prescient. The Guild was involved with the Hayt project and the conspiracy from the beginning. There's no reason that Edric couldn't be shielding Bijaz, and the comments Bijaz make to Paul aren't exactly great evidence.

But I do agree in general that it's entirely possible for masters of genetics to change a Face Dancer into a Master. Wasn't it suggested at one point that the Tleilaxu might have made a Face Dancer Duncan Idaho? If they can turn a human into a Face Dancer, they can surely do the reverse.

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 09:55**

Phaedrus wrote:
Tleilax Master B wrote:
Spicelon wrote:
Tleilax Master B wrote:He had probably been used for numerous other tasks before the Hayt project.
But, doesn't Hayt/Duncan remember, right around the time he's getting his memories back, seeing Bijaz in the tanks along with himself? I always thought they were grown together.
"You are not Hayt," the dwarf said. "You are Duncan Idaho. I was there when they put your dead flesh into the tank and I was there when they removed it, alive and ready for training."

Bijaz had long since been removed from the tanks when Hayt was decanted. He was there when the corpse was put in and there when it was removed. To shield Hayt from Paul's prescience, IMHO.
There's another quote, from the same conversation, where Bijaz tells Hayt they were both grown in the same tank, "First me, then you," I believe it goes.

I'm also uncertain about Bijaz actually being prescient. Paul puts forth the idea, but just because Paul doesn't see him doesn't make him prescient. The Guild was involved with the Hayt project and the conspiracy from the beginning. There's no reason that Edric couldn't be shielding Bijaz, and the comments Bijaz make to Paul aren't exactly great evidence.

But I do agree in general that it's entirely possible for masters of genetics to change a Face Dancer into a Master. Wasn't it suggested at one point that the Tleilaxu might have made a Face Dancer Duncan Idaho? If they can turn a human into a Face Dancer, they can surely do the reverse.

I certainly agree with the latter. I personally am fairly convinced that Bijaz had some level of prescience, and Paul seemed fairly convinced also. But we know they are at least capable of producing such a thing, as we know that the BT made their own KH, which would presumably be prescient.

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 18:47**

I believe these questions will be answered in the upcoming Tleilaxu of Dune trilogy: Scytale of Dune, Waff of Dune, and [whatever the name of that castrated midget from Hunters is] of Dune.

Note: I would've looked up the name, but I'm happy to be losing my memory of those books.

So my post isn't wholly off-topic, I will say I agree with TMB, mostly because he seems to know everything on this subject.

To address the point about ebooks, I have some .lit versions if anyone would rather have those instead of .pdf. I'm not sure they're any different though. I also have a majority of Frank's other works in varied formats, if you're looking for a specific non-Dune book.

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 19:05**

Illogical Banana wrote:I believe these questions will be answered in the upcoming Tleilaxu of Dune trilogy: Scytale of Dune, Waff of Dune, and [whatever the name of that castrated midget from Hunters is] of Dune.

Note: I would've looked up the name, but I'm happy to be losing my memory of those books.

Let's just hope Kevin doesn't see those and think they're a good idea!

(Remember the last little guy as Fuxtal, like I do.

)

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 19:10**

Nah, I figure the next four or five book trilogy will probably be a last minute decision to expand Leto of Dune. It'll detail Leto's suffering in not being able to bone chicks, and have lots of explosions. This is really the time period that they can have the most special effects fun in. But we'll find out that he had a secret cave filled with worms, and his death actually triggered a device to release those worms - it really wasn't the sandtrout that start the cycle all along! The series will be titled Retcons of Dune.

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 19:44**

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Nah, I figure the next four or five book trilogy will probably be a last minute decision to expand Leto of Dune. It'll detail Leto's suffering in not being able to bone chicks, ...

That may be a pretty good series. I would guess that both of the author's have first hand experience of such suffering.

Although I doubt that experience would overcome their writing ability.

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 19:52**

Yeah, LOADS of suffering there...the inability to express one's natural desires, forever unrequited love, the pain of being only a mediocrity shot from the loins of genius....

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 20:07**

SandChigger wrote:Yeah, LOADS of suffering there...the inability to express one's natural desires, forever unrequited love, the pain of being only a mediocrity shot from the loins of genius....

I wonder what the authors will use to inform that?

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 20:32**

A Thing of Eternity wrote:The series will be titled Retcons of Dune.

There will also be a new Harkonnen trilogy about the Baron's exploits since youth until the era of the House books.

It'll be called Rectums of Dune.

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 21:03**

On the bright side, at least we know(or at least hope) that they can't finish ALL these series, if they plan on doing Hellhole, and if they both keep writing their own books.

How old was Brian again? How old will he be when they finish Leto of Dune, on the current schedule?

I imagine the graph is pretty easy, just a diminishing line of time against potential for ruined Dune books...that's nice to think about, actually.

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 21:47**

And Kim having no literary aspirations that we've heard of to date, the HLP will next turn to Byron to take his place on the low stool, grab them udders with both hands and start pullin'.

Or maybe Kevin will be allowed to continue to hike "Dune" until he dies or runs out of ideas under the conditions of that mysterious MYOB agreement he has with the Dairies?

Brian is 61, Kevin just turned 46. If Timeweb is any indication, Brian's close to drooling already but Kevin could have another twenty or thirty years of books in him to crap out, if God doesn't hurry up with that boulder or meteorite.

2008 Pail of Dung (61, 46)
2009 Smellhole (62, 47)
2010 Jess Icky Dung (63, 48 )
2011 Smellhole Inferno (64, 49)
2012 I rollin' in Dung (65, 50)
2013 Smellhole Impact (66, 51)
2014 Letotard of Dung (67, 52)

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 22:05**

SandChigger wrote:And Kim having no literary aspirations that we've heard of to date, the HLP will next turn to Byron to take his place on the low stool, grab them udders with both hands and start pullin'.

Or maybe Kevin will be allowed to continue to hike "Dune" until he dies or runs out of ideas under the conditions of that mysterious MYOB agreement he has with the Dairies?

Brian is 61, Kevin just turned 46. If Timeweb is any indication, Brian's close to drooling already but Kevin could have another twenty or thirty years of books in him to crap out, if God doesn't hurry up with that boulder or meteorite.

2008 Pail of Dung (61, 46)
2009 Smellhole (62, 47)
2010 Jess Icky Dung (63, 48 )
2011 Smellhole Inferno (64, 49)
2012 I rollin' in Dung (65, 50)
2013 Smellhole Impact (66, 51)
2014 Letotard of Dung (67, 52)

If they finish this series, I'll take it as proof that there is no God.

Frank Herbert only lived to 65.

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 22:25**

Ahp. And there's been no indication that Brian has any health problems.

Other than the mental ones, that is.

"Brian, look out, technology!"

"Aaaagh! Aaagh! Aaaaaagh!!!"

Posted: **06 Jun 2008 22:35**

He probably just can't be bothered to learn something new. Too lazy, too many mean Talifan out there.

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