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What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 06:04
by SadisticCynic
Anyone ever notice that the Tleilaxu title Masheikh is remarkably similar to the title mashi'ach, which is Hebrew (I think) for 'the anointed one'. I would never have thought of it from looking at Messiah, but in the original language its a tad more obvious.

I love how Frank puts in little subtle details like that. Also looks like it has the title Sheikh in it as well. Cool huh?

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 06:41
by Freakzilla
I've never even seen anyone talk about the Tleilaxu title origins, very interesting.

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 10:57
by Rakis
I'm kind of surprise that it doesn't come from Chigger... :?

Well done ! :)

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 11:41
by SandChigger
Frank Herbert may indeed have intended some allusion of that sort (the BT Masters considered themselves the annointed, chosen ones), but in the original Arabic, masheikh is just one of a number of plural forms for the word sheikh ("old man, elder, leader, advisor") itself.

Obviously, in the future language of the BT, the word has developed into a new title and is used as both singular and plural.

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 11:48
by Rakis
Now, that's better... :P

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 14:19
by SwordMaster
So is Chigger actually a jew?

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 14:43
by Freakzilla
:lol:

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 15:30
by Omphalos
SwordMaster wrote:So is Chigger actually a jew?


He is many things.

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 15:40
by SandRider
He is all things.

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 15:54
by Omphalos
He is ubiquitous.

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 16:23
by SadisticCynic
Omphalos wrote:He is ubiquitous.


He's everywhere at once so... he's the norm? :wink: Japan must be some place!

Anyway, with regard to Masheikh; damn I thought I had something there. Aw well! I submit to Chigger (sure it won't be the last time).

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 17:10
by Nekhrun
SwordMaster wrote:So is Chigger actually a jew?

Why don't you check under his hood and find out?

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 19:00
by Tleszer
Nekhrun wrote:
SwordMaster wrote:So is Chigger actually a jew?

Why don't you check under his hood and find out?


Um, I'm not sure that's possible...

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Posted: 09 Apr 2009 19:38
by SwordMaster
no i would take his word on it...

lol :lol:

Posted: 09 Apr 2009 21:29
by SandChigger
Oy, enough with the shpecutaing on my shvanz already. :roll:

Sorry this rabble derailed your thread, SadisticCynic. :(

Re: What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 14 Apr 2009 16:45
by chanilover
I thought most American guys were cut, even the ones who aren't Jewish.

Re: What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 14 Apr 2009 17:54
by Freakzilla
chanilover wrote:I thought most American guys were cut, even the ones who aren't Jewish.


I thought so too. Never really checked though.

Re: What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 14 Apr 2009 19:20
by SwordMaster
Lets bring it back though. Are the BT sort of Jew'ie ?

Re: What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 14 Apr 2009 23:33
by SandChigger
No. They're sort of "Muslim'ie".

(Don't push me. I've already ranted at some of my grad students this morning about "actioner". :twisted: )

Re: What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 15 Apr 2009 07:51
by SadisticCynic
:shock: How/Where did they fit that in?

Re: What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 15 Apr 2009 09:28
by SwordMaster
I see some Jew'ness with the BT. Secretive, think they will inherit the earth, think that non Jews are not a part of their big plan, have a name for non Jews, strange breeding practices.

A few things.

Re: What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 15 Apr 2009 09:47
by Rakis
Ok... :?

I don't think Jews and BT are that similar...just how FH described the Jews in the last two books gives us his point of view on how he saw them and they are diff from the BT... :twocents-twocents:

Re: What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 15 Apr 2009 12:32
by A Thing of Eternity
Orald's gonna love that post! You'd have to be more specific there SW, everything you listed there sounds like it describes Christians and Muslims too.

Re: What's in a name, er title?

Posted: 15 Apr 2009 12:35
by SwordMaster
Yeah I thought I might stir it up a bit

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Posted: 15 Apr 2009 19:34
by Schu
SandChigger wrote:Oy, enough with the shpecutaing on my shvanz already. :roll:

Sorry this rabble derailed your thread, SadisticCynic. :(


schwanz you mean