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What's in a name, er title?

Postby SadisticCynic » 09 Apr 2009 06:04

Anyone ever notice that the Tleilaxu title Masheikh is remarkably similar to the title mashi'ach, which is Hebrew (I think) for 'the anointed one'. I would never have thought of it from looking at Messiah, but in the original language its a tad more obvious.

I love how Frank puts in little subtle details like that. Also looks like it has the title Sheikh in it as well. Cool huh?
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Postby Freakzilla » 09 Apr 2009 06:41

I've never even seen anyone talk about the Tleilaxu title origins, very interesting.
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Postby Rakis » 09 Apr 2009 10:57

I'm kind of surprise that it doesn't come from Chigger... :?

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Postby SandChigger » 09 Apr 2009 11:41

Frank Herbert may indeed have intended some allusion of that sort (the BT Masters considered themselves the annointed, chosen ones), but in the original Arabic, masheikh is just one of a number of plural forms for the word sheikh ("old man, elder, leader, advisor") itself.

Obviously, in the future language of the BT, the word has developed into a new title and is used as both singular and plural.

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Postby Rakis » 09 Apr 2009 11:48

Now, that's better... :P

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Postby SwordMaster » 09 Apr 2009 14:19

So is Chigger actually a jew?
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Postby Freakzilla » 09 Apr 2009 14:43

:lol:
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Postby Omphalos » 09 Apr 2009 15:30

SwordMaster wrote:So is Chigger actually a jew?


He is many things.

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Postby SandRider » 09 Apr 2009 15:40

He is all things.
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Postby Omphalos » 09 Apr 2009 15:54

He is ubiquitous.

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Postby SadisticCynic » 09 Apr 2009 16:23

Omphalos wrote:He is ubiquitous.


He's everywhere at once so... he's the norm? :wink: Japan must be some place!

Anyway, with regard to Masheikh; damn I thought I had something there. Aw well! I submit to Chigger (sure it won't be the last time).
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Postby Nekhrun » 09 Apr 2009 17:10

SwordMaster wrote:So is Chigger actually a jew?

Why don't you check under his hood and find out?

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Postby Tleszer » 09 Apr 2009 19:00

Nekhrun wrote:
SwordMaster wrote:So is Chigger actually a jew?

Why don't you check under his hood and find out?


Um, I'm not sure that's possible...

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Postby SwordMaster » 09 Apr 2009 19:38

no i would take his word on it...

lol :lol:
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Postby SandChigger » 09 Apr 2009 21:29

Oy, enough with the shpecutaing on my shvanz already. :roll:

Sorry this rabble derailed your thread, SadisticCynic. :(

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Re: What's in a name, er title?

Postby chanilover » 14 Apr 2009 16:45

I thought most American guys were cut, even the ones who aren't Jewish.
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Postby Freakzilla » 14 Apr 2009 17:54

chanilover wrote:I thought most American guys were cut, even the ones who aren't Jewish.


I thought so too. Never really checked though.
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Re: What's in a name, er title?

Postby SwordMaster » 14 Apr 2009 19:20

Lets bring it back though. Are the BT sort of Jew'ie ?
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Re: What's in a name, er title?

Postby SandChigger » 14 Apr 2009 23:33

No. They're sort of "Muslim'ie".

(Don't push me. I've already ranted at some of my grad students this morning about "actioner". :twisted: )

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Re: What's in a name, er title?

Postby SadisticCynic » 15 Apr 2009 07:51

:shock: How/Where did they fit that in?
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Re: What's in a name, er title?

Postby SwordMaster » 15 Apr 2009 09:28

I see some Jew'ness with the BT. Secretive, think they will inherit the earth, think that non Jews are not a part of their big plan, have a name for non Jews, strange breeding practices.

A few things.
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Re: What's in a name, er title?

Postby Rakis » 15 Apr 2009 09:47

Ok... :?

I don't think Jews and BT are that similar...just how FH described the Jews in the last two books gives us his point of view on how he saw them and they are diff from the BT... :twocents-twocents:
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 15 Apr 2009 12:32

Orald's gonna love that post! You'd have to be more specific there SW, everything you listed there sounds like it describes Christians and Muslims too.
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Postby SwordMaster » 15 Apr 2009 12:35

Yeah I thought I might stir it up a bit
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Postby Schu » 15 Apr 2009 19:34

SandChigger wrote:Oy, enough with the shpecutaing on my shvanz already. :roll:

Sorry this rabble derailed your thread, SadisticCynic. :(


schwanz you mean


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