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Re: Discribe the BT!

Postby Freakzilla » 08 Feb 2010 16:34

I couldn't bare to read on after Hunters.
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Re: Discribe the BT!

Postby SandRider » 08 Feb 2010 17:05

reverendmotherQ. wrote:I must finish to know even more of how they've turned the Dune legacy into a cash cow. But it's going to be depressing I know. Then I will reread the original to purge my mind of the rampant lies.


no, seriously, don't do that ....

stop reading right now (seen, once seen, cannot be unseen &etc)

and it's just not necessary ... if your interest is the inconsistencies or divergences from Frank's Dune,
there are more than enough threads here that list them point by point; actually reading the words Keith
spoke into his digital recorder is a waste of time ....

and I've seen more than one sharp person get little details mixed up - it's just not worth taking the
chance, like heroin ....

and also, Omph, even tho Swordmaster's water was poured into Hyppo's douchebag,
I sure wish you'd correct the spelling on the topic line - just cause the plastic ninja couldn't
spell doesn't mean we should leave the impression the rest of us can't ..... (with certain exceptions...)
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Re: Discribe the BT!

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 08 Feb 2010 17:06

I read Dune a couple months after Sadworms and it had almost no magic. Almost none. It wasn't until I picked up Messiah a couple months ago that I started really caring about Dune again.
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Re: Discribe the BT!

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SandRider wrote:...and also, Omph, even tho Swordmaster's water was poured into Hyppo's douchebag,
I sure wish you'd correct the spelling on the topic line - just cause the plastic ninja couldn't
spell doesn't mean we should leave the impression the rest of us can't ..... (with certain exceptions...)


I'll take a stab at it...
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Re: Discribe the BT!

Postby SandChigger » 08 Feb 2010 20:12

reverendmotherQ. wrote:I'm reading Grunters for the first time...

Let us know when you get to the "deep-throating" episode.

Although I rather suspect we'll know from the screams... :?
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Re: Describe the BT!

Postby Omphalos » 08 Feb 2010 21:05

SandRider wrote:and also, Omph, even tho Swordmaster's water was poured into Hyppo's douchebag...


Now that is funny!


SandRider wrote:...I sure wish you'd correct the spelling on the topic line - just cause the plastic ninja couldn't
spell doesn't mean we should leave the impression the rest of us can't ..... (with certain exceptions...)


What's this now? Something about his title?

OH! I see. The title of this topic. I laughed when he first put it up. Thought it was kind of funny. but Ill fix it.

Edit: Oh well. Just change the RE on the next post

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Re: Describe the Bene Tleilax!

Postby Omphalos » 08 Feb 2010 21:07

See, now it works.

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Re: Describe the Bene Tleilax!

Postby Freakzilla » 08 Feb 2010 21:18

Omphalos wrote:See, now it works.


Good job! :D
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Re: Discribe the BT!

Postby reverendmotherQ. » 08 Feb 2010 23:32

SandChigger wrote:
reverendmotherQ. wrote:I'm reading Grunters for the first time...

Let us know when you get to the "deep-throating" episode.

Although I rather suspect we'll know from the screams... :?

The hell?
Hm. The only way that concept could ever have room in Dune is an Honored Matre Hermaphradite.
J/k. But that would blow my mind.
Alas, I suspect this must be even worse. So I'm trying to do homework to distract my self from the impending literary DOOM.

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Re: Discribe the BT!

Postby reverendmotherQ. » 08 Feb 2010 23:36

trang wrote:
reverendmotherQ. wrote:I must finish to know even more of how they've turned the Dune legacy into a cash cow. But it's going to be depressing I know. Then I will reread the original to purge my mind of the rampant lies.


Encase your head in aluminium foil, get a voodoo chicken and rabbits foot. a 4 four leaf clover, . and check to make sure your health premiums are up to date. These are the checks to make before forging forward into the remainder of those two pieces of bile.

as for sad worms... two things.. ghola's, ghola's.... and worms are like Baskin-Robins.

If you survive those and wish to really take a spin on the death wheel... there is Paul and and BagOWinds. I Highly suggest revisiting all of the above checks and included the following:

1. read near an open flame (tear each page out after you have read it and burn it)
2. have at least two fifths of whiskey handy
3. a computer with net access and Jacurutu forums open and ready
4. an open window to scream out

This sounds like an excellent plan. :runs for liquor cabinet. Now for the fire, but damn its cold. Why don't I have a fire place? My parents have no imagination when it comes to houses and now would be an excellent time to own one. Oh, wait. It's not my book. >.<

Gholas as baskin robins - nice metaphor I'm going to guess. Do they come in blueberry?

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Re: Discribe the BT!

Postby SandChigger » 09 Feb 2010 04:19

reverendmotherQ. wrote:Alas, I suspect this must be even worse.

She has the Sight! Could she be The One? :pray:

So I'm trying to do homework to distract my self from the impending literary DOOM.

Coward! :lol:
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Re: Describe the Bene Tleilax!

Postby reverendmotherQ. » 09 Feb 2010 11:26

Or a busy student. :lol:
But I did read this morning and found a thought to ponder.
KJA's Tleilaxu seem to be tremendously prescient in storing cells for potential gholas. All that nonsense about the sword with Muad Dib's cells is a little extravagant. It's been a while since I read the original series, mostly the earlier ones, and where does this sword make even the slightest appearance in Herbert's text?

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Postby Seraphan » 09 Feb 2010 11:53

reverendmotherQ. wrote:Or a busy student. :lol:
But I did read this morning and found a thought to ponder.
KJA's Tleilaxu seem to be tremendously prescient in storing cells for potential gholas. All that nonsense about the sword with Muad Dib's cells is a little extravagant. It's been a while since I read the original series, mostly the earlier ones, and where does this sword make even the slightest appearance in Herbert's text?

Nowhere, except in KJA and the other guy's Paul of DUNE.
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Re: Describe the Bene Tleilax!

Postby reverendmotherQ. » 09 Feb 2010 12:01

Seraphan wrote:
reverendmotherQ. wrote:Or a busy student. :lol:
But I did read this morning and found a thought to ponder.
KJA's Tleilaxu seem to be tremendously prescient in storing cells for potential gholas. All that nonsense about the sword with Muad Dib's cells is a little extravagant. It's been a while since I read the original series, mostly the earlier ones, and where does this sword make even the slightest appearance in Herbert's text?

Nowhere, except in KJA and the other guy's Paul of DUNE.

Yeah, because in the original it seemed that the Tleilaxu never ventured beyond their home unless necessary. That would be why they have face dancers to do the dirty work. In Muadib's time I am sure they had better things to worry about than ressurrecting a political obstacle.
Silly KJA, Dune is for Frank. Leave it that way!

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Re: Describe the Bene Tleilax!

Postby Seraphan » 09 Feb 2010 17:19

reverendmotherQ. wrote:
Seraphan wrote:
reverendmotherQ. wrote:Or a busy student. :lol:
But I did read this morning and found a thought to ponder.
KJA's Tleilaxu seem to be tremendously prescient in storing cells for potential gholas. All that nonsense about the sword with Muad Dib's cells is a little extravagant. It's been a while since I read the original series, mostly the earlier ones, and where does this sword make even the slightest appearance in Herbert's text?

Nowhere, except in KJA and the other guy's Paul of DUNE.

Yeah, because in the original it seemed that the Tleilaxu never ventured beyond their home unless necessary. That would be why they have face dancers to do the dirty work. In Muadib's time I am sure they had better things to worry about than ressurrecting a political obstacle.
Silly KJA, Dune is for Frank. Leave it that way!

Everything you read in those literary atrocities stems from the fact the KJA hates the Dune novels. The idiot misunderstood the first one, saying that Paul was the greatest hero of science fiction to him.
Then, when Frank released Messiah, KJA was/is unable to understand it and therefore hates it and every single novel that came afterward.
Why? Because they have no action sequences and the chapters are too smart for him to understand.

Added: I forgot to mention the fact that, since he hates Dune, he is desperatly trying to re-write it his way.
That's the reason for the prequels/interquels/sequels. Want proof of this attitude of his? In one of his infamous tweets, he wrote that he didn't like the end of Battlestar Galactica, stating "Will write a few chapters of my own".
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Postby reverendmotherQ. » 09 Feb 2010 22:35

Added: I forgot to mention the fact that, since he hates Dune, he is desperatly trying to re-write it his way.
That's the reason for the prequels/interquels/sequels. Want proof of this attitude of his? In one of his infamous tweets, he wrote that he didn't like the end of Battlestar Galactica, stating "Will write a few chapters of my own".

OH NO HE WON'T! He's ruining my beloved dune and now he want's to fuck with BSG!
OH, its on. THis bitch won't know whats coming.

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Re: Describe the Bene Tleilax!

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reverendmotherQ. wrote:
Added: I forgot to mention the fact that, since he hates Dune, he is desperatly trying to re-write it his way.
That's the reason for the prequels/interquels/sequels. Want proof of this attitude of his? In one of his infamous tweets, he wrote that he didn't like the end of Battlestar Galactica, stating "Will write a few chapters of my own".

OH NO HE WON'T! He's ruining my beloved dune and now he want's to fuck with BSG!
OH, its on. THis bitch won't know whats coming.


I think we agree he should keep his filthy paws off Caprica and Boomer.
Brrr I shudder just imagining it...


As for the OM issue, I think that every author is allowed some leeway in his work, after all it is their own creation so it is only fair they do what they want...
BUT
it has to serve a fucking purpose!!!

Do you get that Hack? P.U.R.P.O.S.E!!!

As some KJASFanboys are so anxious to point out, even Frank made mistakes("inconsistencies"), but what they forget is that a talented writer doesn't use them to magically forward his story...

I think that Frank actually left some things unexplained as to how/why they happened, but his genius was not to belabor and let his reader fill in the gaps, so that there would be a myriad of possibilities in all those minds :)

The hack being himself and feeling so unconfortable in trusting his readers(afraid they join the OH maybe ;))in using their imagination, he just mind rapes them and forcibly inserts his blabbering(?) in... argh I can't continue picturing this(conjures up disturbing images and I haven't had breakfast yet)

But you get my drift(so I'll let you fill in the gaps_and I don't mean that literally!)
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Re: Discribe the BT!

Postby trang » 12 Feb 2010 04:55

reverendmotherQ. wrote:
trang wrote:
reverendmotherQ. wrote:I must finish to know even more of how they've turned the Dune legacy into a cash cow. But it's going to be depressing I know. Then I will reread the original to purge my mind of the rampant lies.


Encase your head in aluminium foil, get a voodoo chicken and rabbits foot. a 4 four leaf clover, . and check to make sure your health premiums are up to date. These are the checks to make before forging forward into the remainder of those two pieces of bile.

as for sad worms... two things.. ghola's, ghola's.... and worms are like Baskin-Robins.

If you survive those and wish to really take a spin on the death wheel... there is Paul and and BagOWinds. I Highly suggest revisiting all of the above checks and included the following:

1. read near an open flame (tear each page out after you have read it and burn it)
2. have at least two fifths of whiskey handy
3. a computer with net access and Jacurutu forums open and ready
4. an open window to scream out

This sounds like an excellent plan. :runs for liquor cabinet. Now for the fire, but damn its cold. Why don't I have a fire place? My parents have no imagination when it comes to houses and now would be an excellent time to own one. Oh, wait. It's not my book. >.<

Gholas as baskin robins - nice metaphor I'm going to guess. Do they come in blueberry?


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Postby reverendmotherQ. » 12 Feb 2010 14:18

^ can I get a Techno-blueberry, lavalamp color alternating, one, in the guise of a young Elizabeth Taylor?

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I've got a really sick and twisted comment,
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Re: Describe the Bene Tleilax!

Postby SandChigger » 12 Feb 2010 20:23

Yes? Hello? Is the chick (tank?) in the mail? Nothing here yet.... :(

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Re: Describe the Bene Tleilax!

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SandRider wrote:I've got a really sick and twisted comment,
but I'll just email it to the SandChigger ....


why start holding back now? :D

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Re: Describe the Bene Tleilax!

Postby Lionel Horsepackage » 12 May 2010 16:09

reverendmotherQ. wrote:Or a busy student. :lol:
But I did read this morning and found a thought to ponder.
KJA's Tleilaxu seem to be tremendously prescient in storing cells for potential gholas. All that nonsense about the sword with Muad Dib's cells is a little extravagant. It's been a while since I read the original series, mostly the earlier ones, and where does this sword make even the slightest appearance in Herbert's text?

I don't recall it appearing either, and I don't think that it was actually very clear (in the original Frank Herbert novels) that the Scattering Bene Tleilaxu Masters did, in fact, have any of those tubes containing cell samples. The reason I say that is because I don't believe that the Scattering BT Masters were using the ghola process to reincarnate themselves. Recall that the Old Empire Bene Tleilaxu Masters did not recognize and did not trust the returning Scattering BT Masters. If the returning Masters were simply reincarnated gholas of Old Empire Masters who had left in the Scattering, then the Old Empire BT Masters would have recognized them, and known them by name.

This suggests that the Scattering BT masters and their Face Dancers reproduced without the ghola process -- i.e., the old fashioned way. Thus, the most highly valued secret of the Bene Tleilaxu (the ghola-reincarnation process) was kept safe, sequestered within the familiar confines of the Old Empire.

I think that the great powers of Marty and Daniel could be partially explained by the fact that they had absorbed the memories and abilities of Mentats, Reverend Mothers, and others (such as Ixian scientists). We should also recall Duncan's Mentat Projection: that Marty and Daniel had developed a new way to use the Holtzman effect. This new use of Holtzman's theories could help account for the powerful abilities of this Face Dancer pair.
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